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**El Bresko** · 08-17-2012, 08:56 PM

Eh Chael got outmuscled by Babalu at LHW back in the day.

I don't think Forrest wants it enough to get the W though.

RWCNT · 08-17-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaswe82

Well to be honest the only reason he doesn't get hit much is because he wrestles everyone, not because of his standup. He doesn't get schooled on the feet because noone can keep it there.

Has he ever done anything impressive standing except catching Silva by surprize once in the best fight of his career, and also Silvas worst fight.

His standup looks goofy and awkward & he also tried a spinning attack against the best triker in the UFC, wich makes me believe he has a bit bad fighting-iq when it comes to striking.

So I ask you what has he ever done to prove he has any kind of striking skills? He has a good chin and great wrestling so he charges ppl and holds them down, hence the statistics.

Fair points that he does spend the vast bulk of his fight time on the mat, but I've seen him trade in nearly every fight he's been in and I've never seen him brutally tooled. (Recent loss aside, that knee to the body against the cage took his soul before Anderson then proceeded to rip what was left to shreds) Thats about as much proof as I need to decide I think his stand up skills are at least average, definitely not poor.

I'll take that you think his striking looks goofy and awkward but I think this about a lot of MMA fighters to be honest. Wanderlei Silva's striking technique is for the most part very incorrect technically speaking (wild swings and arm punches), Shane Carwin and Dan Henderson's boxing isn't the easiest on the eyes either, Fedor was as flat-footed as they come and overcommited to a lot of his power strikes. But I've always thought of MMA striking as boiling down to effectiveness as part of the fighter's game on the whole rather than technically correct boxing or kickboxing technique.

I've never been particularly impressed with anything Chael did on the feet, apart from the first Anderson fight of course, but I just don't think it's justified to call him a bad striker. He's certainly nowhere close to Shinya Aoki-like levels of ineptitude. As far as the spinning back fist and fighter IQ - it was the slip that led to his downfall, not the backfist. If Silva had countered the backfist and left Chael laying I'd completely agree with you, but he didn't. Spinning back fists don't land as often as other strikes, but it's not like the amount of times a guy slips throwing one is massive in comparison to other strikes.

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Originally Posted by MRBRESK

Eh Chael got outmuscled by Babalu at LHW back in the day.

That is true, however he also beat Sobral by UD in their first meeting. If I recall Chael also was quite young and weighed something like 196 pounds or similiar in that fight, he's a great deal more thickly muscled nowadays. However, I do expect Forrest to look absolutely enormous by comparison on fight night.

**Canadian Psycho** · 08-17-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit

They are different fighters and Rashad is a better, more complete fighter than Chael is. IMO! (Add that last part before the Sonnen lovers come out and get me)

You're lucky, fella

**John8204** · 08-17-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PanKrato

You realize Chael is bigger than Rashad Evans right?

Rashad didn't get pwned by Jeremy Horn, Babalul, Trevor Prangley, and Terry Martin

**El Bresko** · 08-17-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RWCNT

That is true, however he also beat Sobral by UD in their first meeting. If I recall Chael also was quite young and weighed something like 196 pounds or similiar in that fight, he's a great deal more thickly muscled nowadays. However, I do expect Forrest to look absolutely enormous by comparison on fight night.

Haha.. I think you are mistaking Babalu with Paulo Filho.

And yeah Chael was 201lbs against Babalu.

StandThemUp · 08-17-2012, 11:40 PM

Ah Crap!

I was really hoping to never see Forrest fighting again. Please don't tell me this is a main event.
It's on the prelims card, right?

I couldn't care less about seeing Forrest fight anymore, nor could I care less if Chael wins.

Great Job UFC. Way to point on yet another ho hum fight.

RWCNT · 08-17-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MRBRESK

Haha.. I think you are mistaking Babalu with Paulo Filho.

Not even. Complete false memory syndrome. For some reason I thought I'd seen a UD win against Babalu on Sonnen's record in a 2 round fight. I was sure I'd watched the fight as well, so it looks like I got Babalu confused with....Homer Moore? I need some sleep

**No_Mercy** · 08-17-2012, 11:46 PM

I actually just re-watched the first Forest vs Shogun match. You know I completely remembered a different fight. I thought Forest instigated the ground game. It was quite the opposite. For some reason Shogun kept trying to take him down then he expended a ton of energy with limited results except with a nice cut on Griffin's forehead.

That made me realize two things. A motivated Griffin is actually pretty good and a injured Shogun with poor cardio is less than stellar.

Chael hasn't fought in LHW in years. His biggest wins are...I can't even remember. Griffin has beaten Rampage, Shogun, Tito, Bonnar, Franklin, and a few others.

It's kind of a disgrace really for Griffin to be an underdog here.

Strangely even I initially picked Chael til I really looked closely into this fight. Part of me wants Griffin to win so he fades into obscurity, but the other part actually wants me to see the MOUTH from Oregon to advance to JBJ. Now that would be a treat!