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Old 08-16-2012, 02:24 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Bull. dos Santos is a good guy and all but there are plenty of other athletes in the UFC that are better representatives for MMA than he is.

There's no way JDS was "reading Cain like a book". He threw a punch and it landed on the right spot. Not discrediting dos Santos' win as it's hard to discredit a knockout, but he got a good punch in and Cain went down. Hopefully Cain will avoid dos Santos' power strikes this time around and get a TKO on the floor.
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You don't intentionally land shots to the back of the head unless you're cheating. That's where the shot hit Cain, to the back of the head. So which is it? Junior intentionally placed that shot behind the back of Cains head, or he accidentally hit him there? Given Juniors track record of being a clean fighter, it looks like he didn't mean to hit him in that spot at all.

Had that shot not hit him in that spot, I'm not sure Cain would have gone down at all.


Come on dude. I'm as big a Cain fan as he next but that rambling sounded ridiculous and reeks of fanboy ism. If you hit someone in the back of the ear it's legal and if you watch any of juniors fight you know he lands his shots where he aims most of the time. Back of the head shots is a dumb rule excluding shots right near the spine/barinstem.

Junior hits anyone clean they're going down. I think we all need to accept that although Cain is the next level/generation of hw's, junior might be a level higher.

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Old 08-16-2012, 02:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
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You don't intentionally land shots to the back of the head unless you're cheating. That's where the shot hit Cain, to the back of the head. So which is it? Junior intentionally placed that shot behind the back of Cains head, or he accidentally hit him there? Given Juniors track record of being a clean fighter, it looks like he didn't mean to hit him in that spot at all.

Had that shot not hit him in that spot, I'm not sure Cain would have gone down at all.
Ear, temple, nose, jaw, eye, whatever, he would have gone down.

I said JDS knew it would land, not that he intended to hit Cain illegally. Meaning he knew Cain's head would be a sitting duck, so he punched it.

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Bull. dos Santos is a good guy and all but there are plenty of other athletes in the UFC that are better representatives for MMA than he is.

There's no way JDS was "reading Cain like a book". He threw a punch and it landed on the right spot. Not discrediting dos Santos' win as it's hard to discredit a knockout, but he got a good punch in and Cain went down. Hopefully Cain will avoid dos Santos' power strikes this time around and get a TKO on the floor.
Well you're obviously not qualified enough to comment. JDS analysed Velasquez perfectly from the get go, tested the jab which set up the right hand, then executed the combination perfectly and ended the fight.
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Come on dude. I'm as big a Cain fan as he next but that rambling sounded ridiculous and reeks of fanboy ism. If you hit someone in the back of the ear it's legal and if you watch any of juniors fight you know he lands his shots where he aims most of the time. Back of the head shots is a dumb rule excluding shots right near the spine/barinstem.

Junior hits anyone clean they're going down. I think we all need to accept that although Cain is the next level/generation of hw's, junior might be a level higher.
I'll believe it if I see it again. Like I said, I don't buy much into unexpected early KO's.

Cain has completely steam rolled through every single opponent in front of him. He then fights Junior and gets destroyed in the first round. I'm just not buying that Cain was any where near 100 percent for that fight.

All will be revealed in the rematch. If Junior destroys Cain again, I'll eat my words and apologise.
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I'll believe it if I see it again. Like I said, I don't buy much into unexpected early KO's.

Cain has completely steam rolled through every single opponent in front of him. He then fights Junior and gets destroyed in the first round. I'm just not buying that Cain was any where near 100 percent for that fight.

All will be revealed in the rematch. If Junior destroys Cain again, I'll eat my words and apologise.
Just because you didn't expect an early knock out, doesn't render the result of the fight meaningless.

And 100 percent? Junior was on the slab a week later for knee surgery, the injury was sustained BEFORE the fight.
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Just because you didn't expect an early knock out, doesn't render the result of the fight meaningless.

And 100 percent? Junior was on the slab a week later for knee surgery, the injury was sustained BEFORE the fight.
I didn't ever say the fight was meaningless, stop putting words in my mouth. I said not too much can be learned from unexpected, early flash KO's, not that the fight was completely meaningless.

I never said Junior wasn't 100 percent. Now we get to see both fighters enter the octagon fit and healthy. If Junior read Cain so quickly and easily as you point out, then surely he will have no problem doing it again just as easily.
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:16 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I didn't ever say the fight was meaningless, stop putting words in my mouth. I said not too much can be learned from unexpected, early flash KO's, not that the fight was completely meaningless.

I never said Junior wasn't 100 percent. Now we get to see both fighters enter the octagon fit and healthy. If Junior read Cain so quickly and easily as you point out, then surely he will have no problem doing it again just as easily.
Plenty can be learned from it, JDS needed only one minute to shut down Cain's offense(both striking and grappling) then impose his own enough to end the fight.

JDS is too far ahead with his hands and movement, Velasquez will have a very hard time tricking him enough to get a takedown.

Another point is the mental game, JDS is going to be confident as ever for this fight, Cain is going to be scratching his head thinking 'I already fought this guy but I'm no wiser as to how I can beat him'.

Anyone can win but there's little argument for favoring Velasquez in this fight.
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Plenty can be learned from it, JDS needed only one minute to shut down Cain's offense(both striking and grappling) then impose his own enough to end the fight.

JDS is too far ahead with his hands and movement, Velasquez will have a very hard time tricking him enough to get a takedown.

Another point is the mental game, JDS is going to be confident as ever for this fight, Cain is going to be scratching his head thinking 'I already fought this guy but I'm no wiser as to how I can beat him'.

Anyone can win but there's little argument for favoring Velasquez in this fight.
That's all just speculation on your behalf. You have simply no idea what is going through Cain Velasquez' head right now. You have no idea what he's thinking, so don't act like you do.

There's plenty of argument for Cain winning the rematch:

A) The KO loss makes Cain come back stronger than ever (or weaker, one of the two things happens to all fighters. They either come back stronger and more determined than ever, or they never return to their former selves). Judging by Cains last performance in The Big Foot fight, he looks focused, determined and hungry.

B) Cain analyses what went wrong in the first fight and comes in with a fresh game plan. Instead of just standing in front of Junior throwing leg kicks, Cain will most likely look to get right in Juniors face from the get go and look to employ a heavy grappling based game plan. (Like he does in pretty much all of his fights).

C) Staistics - Cain has the second highest strikes landed percentage in the UFC. He also has a 67 percent take down percentage. Other than the JDS fight, he has also never lost a single round in MMA competition. All of these raw statistics make an argument for Cain being a threat to any fighter in any division in the UFC

D) Injuries and lay off. Cain was recovering from a very bad shoulder injury and was out for a long time prior to the fight. He also sloppily packed on a few more pounds for the JDS fight. JDS was also injured, but I believe Cain had the more serious injury and Junior didn't hae to deal with the heavy lay off.

I don't think Cain will have to "trick" Junior into a take down. I think he'll rush Junior from the get go, grab onto a single, and drive him down to the mat and then have his way with Junior from there. I think Cain is one of the best MMA wrestlers in this sport right now and has fantastic transitions and GNP once it hits the floor. I think he's going to showcase that in all it's glory in this rematch.

There's your argument.

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I didn't ever say the fight was meaningless, stop putting words in my mouth. I said not too much can be learned from unexpected, early flash KO's, not that the fight was completely meaningless.

I never said Junior wasn't 100 percent. Now we get to see both fighters enter the octagon fit and healthy. If Junior read Cain so quickly and easily as you point out, then surely he will have no problem doing it again just as easily.


Totally agree. But considering everything else about both fighters, it's pretty tough to think that JDS KOing Cain at some point is not going to be the most probable outcome. Cain is a beast. He has good hands, wrestling, strength and the ability to break opponents due to his relentlessness/cardio. The thing is, it's tough to imagine anyone keeping JDS on his back for long as well as anyone surviving 25 minutes without getting clipped by one of those crisp, accurate bombs.
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