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Old 08-16-2012, 10:53 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Ear, temple, nose, jaw, eye, whatever, he would have gone down.

I said JDS knew it would land, not that he intended to hit Cain illegally. Meaning he knew Cain's head would be a sitting duck, so he punched it.



Well you're obviously not qualified enough to comment. JDS analysed Velasquez perfectly from the get go, tested the jab which set up the right hand, then executed the combination perfectly and ended the fight.
I am absolutely qualified to comment. You just can't get off poor Junior's nuts long enough to post anything that isn't biased or thought out. I never said Junior got lucky. I never discredited his win. He beat Cain pretty quickly and I think it's sketchy Cain is getting a rematch so quick. But to say Junior analyzed Cain from the get go is just ridiculous and every post you have made in this thread just reaks of bias and ignorance which makes YOU unqualified to comment. Cain came in, Junior threw a punch and it landed behind the ear. It was a solid hit, obviously, but you need to watch that fight again if you think Junior picked him apart from the get go, a notion that is utterly laughable.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I am absolutely qualified to comment. You just can't get off poor Junior's nuts long enough to post anything that isn't biased or thought out. I never said Junior got lucky. I never discredited his win. He beat Cain pretty quickly and I think it's sketchy Cain is getting a rematch so quick. But to say Junior analyzed Cain from the get go is just ridiculous and every post you have made in this thread just reaks of bias and ignorance which makes YOU unqualified to comment. Cain came in, Junior threw a punch and it landed behind the ear. It was a solid hit, obviously, but you need to watch that fight again if you think Junior picked him apart from the get go, a notion that is utterly laughable.
Have you watched the fight very recently? Because I have. Infact I have the fight memorized and I am prepared to step into this debate.

Have you watched the fight very recently?
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:29 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Have you watched the fight very recently? Because I have. Infact I have the fight memorized and I am prepared to step into this debate.

Have you watched the fight very recently?
Khov, you know I love you but I know better than to get into a debate with you when it comes to JDS or any other Brazilian fighter.

The fight was pretty evenly contested up until the knockout. JDS did a good job of stuffing Cain's takedown and took his leg kicks well despite having a damaged knee coming into the fight but he did not "read Cain like a book" by any means. He simply landed a clean punch on Cain's temple that knocked him down and followed up with the TKO. Like I said, it was a solid win, and even as someone who is a big Cain fan and who roots against dos Santos frequently, I think it's ridiculous that people try and pass dos Santos' win as a fluke. Do I think that Cain will win the rematch? Absolutely. I still think he's better than dos Santos, but this is MMA and anything can happen, and dos Santos is one of the best fighters in the world with some of MMA's best boxing and underrated takedown defense. But what I'm tired of is reading completely ridiculous and biased posts that distort facts and reality simply to laud their favorite fighter. That's like me saying Anderson Silva got lucky against Rich Franklin when he battered him in the clinch on two different occasions. Rich Franklin is absolutely my favorite fighter but I know he's not the best Middleweight in the world anymore and I know that he's certainly not better than Anderson, or even really close to his level.

I get it, you guys like dos Santos and that's completely fine, but let go of his sack for a moment and think logically here.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:59 AM   #34 (permalink)
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JDS used the same punch multiple times to guage Cain's reaction, then used it to set up a knock out blow, I don't know how you can watch the fight and not notice this.

Cain landed leg kicks blah blah... So what? He's known for mixing it up really well but was way too predictable for Junior. Read like a book.
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:31 AM   #35 (permalink)
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The right hand was set up by a jab, a jab which JDS used throughout the fight and Cain responded the same each time. JDS only had to throw it out there twice to read Cain and be sure that he'd do the same again, then capitalised on it perfectly.

That is called 'outclassed', not 'flash KO because it hit him behind the ear'. JDS knew the punch would land and he threw it with the intention of finishing the fight, Cain simply did not know that he was being read like a book.
Unless you spoke to JDS himself You cant know that. You can believe that as a theory but it certainly isnt anything more then exactly that... "a theory"

JDS tends to use the same combinations pretty often. If you watch the Nelson fight you will see that he doesnt throw with alot of variety. Its just the way he fights. Its been working for him so he doesnt need to switch anything up.

In my opinion you are over reading it. See how i said "In my opinion". Because im not just going to make a claim and pass it off as fact when its impossible to know unless the fighter himself states so.

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You do realize that people throw the jab out there constantly right??? it is something used constantly throughout fights. JDS threw a jab out there because thats what you do with Jabs. He didnt do anything that is "abnormal" and would be considered reading Cain like a book and out classing him. Otherwise whenever a person gets a KO you could say he was reading his opponent like a book. Every single fight has jabs being thrown out and until GSP jabs were mostly always used to see the opponents response or to set up combinations. GSP is the only fight i can recall where the JAB was used as a primary source of damage.

I saw JDS time a good punch and hurt Cain with it. No different then most fights that end standing. I certainly dont think JDS outclassed Cain. If JDS-Cain fought each other 10x i can see either fighter getting the 6-4 nod. I consider what JDS did to MIR to be outclassing or what Cain did to Bigfoot or Rothwell.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:45 AM   #36 (permalink)
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It's unbelieveable how much bias can cloud one's judgment or perception of an event. You're just making up excuses to make dos Santos look like he had an easy time with Cain. I've already given credit to dos Santos for the win. He did well in catching Cain coming in and got the victory as a result, but if the fight had gone on longer I think the result would definitely be different whether or not dos Santos won or lost. Either way, you'd still be making excuses like you did after Dan Henderson beat Shogun. I'm not blind, I watched the fight. Sideways was dead on with what he said. dos Santos pumped his jab to gage distance and to keep Cain at bay, which he was partially successful in doing so. Those leg kicks were hurting and dos Santos wasnted to keep him at a dantance. After Cain failed on his takedown attempt, Junior got a good sense of distance and landed a clean, solid hit on Cain coming in. Was it a good win? Absolutely, but don't act like Cain was read like a book.
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Have you watched the fight very recently? Because I have. Infact I have the fight memorized and I am prepared to step into this debate.

Have you watched the fight very recently?
Lol i just noticed this.

We all know you are prepared to step into any debate regarding JDS and we all know your stance and points in each of those debates. Just as predictable LL is when talking about Machida or Limba is talking about Jones you are that predictable when it comes to JDS. And its probably fair to say that im pretty predictable when it comes to talking about Mike Swick. I try not to be on your guys level but it is sometimes hard to not let your favorite fighters nuts to blur the vision.

BUT now i actually am curious to see you send a reply to the debate just to see if there is anything i didnt expect.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:43 AM   #38 (permalink)
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You are wrong, JDS was looking to exploit a specific part of Cain's striking and did it in no time. Just like Silva and Rua specifically lead with right hands against Griffin, Shogun specifically feinted right kicks against Liddell.

Read up on some striking arts, there is more to these fights than well timed punches.
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I am absolutely qualified to comment. You just can't get off poor Junior's nuts long enough to post anything that isn't biased or thought out. I never said Junior got lucky. I never discredited his win. He beat Cain pretty quickly and I think it's sketchy Cain is getting a rematch so quick. But to say Junior analyzed Cain from the get go is just ridiculous and every post you have made in this thread just reaks of bias and ignorance which makes YOU unqualified to comment. Cain came in, Junior threw a punch and it landed behind the ear. It was a solid hit, obviously, but you need to watch that fight again if you think Junior picked him apart from the get go, a notion that is utterly laughable.
I don't really want to join the pissing contest, but that is factually incorrect. Cain didn't move in to the punch, he was caught by a combination, just as SM33 says.

JDS threw a jab and followed it immediately with the haymaker. he wasn't testing Cain at that point, he was throwing with purpose.

Not that that means anything for the rematch, even the mooks at AWA presumably know how to watch tape.
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:14 AM   #40 (permalink)
 
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I personally thought (and I haven't watched the fight in a while) that JDS figured Cain out quite quickly, which led to the KO. He was gaging Cain's reactions up until the punch, threw with all his power behind it knowing what Cain would do and it was picture perfect. There's a lot more to just throwing a punch and hoping it lands in that fight :/
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