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Old 08-17-2012, 12:11 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I don't really want to join the pissing contest, but that is factually incorrect. Cain didn't move in to the punch, he was caught by a combination, just as SM33 says.

JDS threw a jab and followed it immediately with the haymaker. he wasn't testing Cain at that point, he was throwing with purpose.

Not that that means anything for the rematch, even the mooks at AWA presumably know how to watch tape.
No offense but you've been reading my posts incorrectly.
I said that JDS pumped the jab to gauge distance and find his range so he could land the shot, which he was successful in doing so after a brief, evenly contested exchange on the feet. I never said that the haymaker he threw was by accident, he knew exactly what he was doing, but only after he had just established the distance.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:18 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Cain's going to take the rematch. I'm pretty confident.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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You are wrong, JDS was looking to exploit a specific part of Cain's striking and did it in no time. Just like Silva and Rua specifically lead with right hands against Griffin, Shogun specifically feinted right kicks against Liddell.

Read up on some striking arts, there is more to these fights than well timed punches.
False.

As I've said several times in this thread, JDS established a distance with Cain and landed a well-timed haymaker for the TKO. The only thing he exploited was Cain's chin. I know JDS meant to land that haymaker, I know it wasn't a lucky shot. He knew exactly what he was doing, but he did not 'expose" or "pick apart" Cain. The fight was evenly contested up until that point.

Read up on some striking arts? I've been training in Muy Thai and kickboxing ever since I was twelve years old. I know quite a bit about striking, and I imagine you do as well. The difference is, my opinion isn't clouded by bias and I can see the world behind dos Santos' testicles.

When you can post objectively for once, then I'll respect your opinion.
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Evenly contested doesn't mean much when you lose in less than a minute.

That's up there with Canadian Psycho's "Chael Sonnen was winning the 2nd round before he slipped" in terms of humour value.
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:23 PM   #45 (permalink)
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False.

As I've said several times in this thread, JDS established a distance with Cain and landed a well-timed haymaker for the TKO. The only thing he exploited was Cain's chin. I know JDS meant to land that haymaker, I know it wasn't a lucky shot. He knew exactly what he was doing, but he did not 'expose" or "pick apart" Cain. The fight was evenly contested up until that point.

Read up on some striking arts? I've been training in Muy Thai and kickboxing ever since I was twelve years old. I know quite a bit about striking, and I imagine you do as well. The difference is, my opinion isn't clouded by bias and I can see the world behind dos Santos' testicles.

When you can post objectively for once, then I'll respect your opinion.
Cain countered JDS' jab with the same left hook every time leaving his left side exposed, even landing it once, which is why JDS chose the overhand right. There would be nothing to stop it, Cain would be too busy countering the jab with a left hook, he's done it twice with no comeback.

It's nothing to do with distance. It's about noticing habits and capitalizing on them, and JDS saw right through Cain's attack. Lulled into a sense of security them BAM.

And stop with the biased stuff, I have nothing against Cain Velasquez and I don't support fighters based on nationality, unlike some...
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No offense but you've been reading my posts incorrectly.
I said that JDS pumped the jab to gauge distance and find his range so he could land the shot, which he was successful in doing so after a brief, evenly contested exchange on the feet. I never said that the haymaker he threw was by accident, he knew exactly what he was doing, but only after he had just established the distance.
He didn't just establish distance. He used the jab to elicit a certain response, which he anticipated, and threw a punch based on the reaction he was expecting.

He didn't "time" his right hand, he set it up. I'm relatively new here and not sure what background you have for calling SM33 a nuthugger, but his description of the finish is right on the money. Your "evenly contested exchange" was a feeling out process, in which both fighters were looking for a hole to exploit. JDS was the guy who found one first, and it took him just under a minute.

Check out 5:14 here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmb...o-s-cain_sport
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:59 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I just watched the fight again and there is no way of actually knowing if dos Santos actually was setting Cain up the whole time, but I'm still incined to disagree that he was. What I did see was impressive takedown defense and a solid, well-timed overhand right. I'll concede also that Cain did throw the same combination he used on Nog. A combination dos Santos did well to avoid. While we were left with a clear winner, to still say that Cain was read like a book is still ridiculous because the fight only lasted 64 seconds.

And just to clarify, there is a difference between support and outright bias. As fans of a spectator sport, we tend to root for athletes that we have the most in common with or have backgrounds that we can relate to or admire. I happen to support several fighters from the USA, seeing as thats where I'm from. If Brazilians can be patriotic about their fighters, then so can I. Erick Silva, Demian Maia, and Lyoto Machida are also some of my favorite fighters to watch, so I don't just root for American born fighters. But I don't dangle from Rich Franklin's nuts like a wild pubic hair or something. I don't the fact that Rich is my favorite fighter distort what has actually happened during his career.
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