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Old 08-17-2012, 05:27 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old Couture would wipe the floor with a prime Segal.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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How is it unfair mate? James Toney not only disrespected alot of MMA fighters but the sport as a whole. In my opinion he deserved to be made to look a fool, which is exactly what happened. Why even let him have a chance at winning a fight by giving him a stand-up fighter? Every MMA fan knew what was going to happen when they matched him up with Couture, but some of my friends who are boxing fans thought Toney would just KO him. I think it definitely educated a few non-MMA fans as well as Toney himself.
Maybe, but I don't like this "proving a point" shit. Anyone who respects MMA knows the a boxer can't just rip through anyone. If he had been KOed by someone like Rampage in a stand up fight, MMA > Boxing undisputedly. It's not even that he was given a wrestler. That's not the concern. It's that he was given Randy ******* Couture. I remember a chatbox was on the site I watched it on and everyone was like "this proves MMA is better". It's essentially like putting Ken Shamrock in there with a Klitschko. Toney should have got some low level wrestler who had a big chance to prove himself with a W over a former boxing world champion, but it gives Toney the oppertunity to prove his striking and to potentially put on some bigger MMA fights down the line. The guy was willing to man up and accept a fight with a UFC hall of famer and one of the greatest of all time, so whether he's shit or not he went in there and tried.

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I've read that sentence three times and it makes less sense every time I read it.

It's kind of like saying everyone on this planet wants to see how a Biathlete would do against a Shooter in the 50m prone event. Do you want to see that?

Neither does anyone else.
Rampage CHALLENGED Toney to a stand up fight. And you're also forgetting that Anderson Silva is the greatest stand up figher of all time (I'm including Bruce Lee for movie fans). I didn't say "Put an MMA fighter in a boxing match". Stand up involves all aspects of the phrase. JDS only boxes and he's currently the HW champion. Jon Jones mainly stands up in his fights and he's the LHW, Spider? These are the champions, and their main fighting style (in the cage at least) is to stand up and strike. Why are you implying tgat it'd be unfair or unmatched to put James Toney in there with someone who can strike? As that other guy said, Rampage Vs Toney with Page striking mainly would have been great. It would allow everyone to guage that question, of just HOW strong is a pro boxer compaired to everyone else? Fight Science has Bas Rutten as similar yet everyone seems to think the top tier of boxers are superhuman in comparrison, so again, how is it uneven?
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:47 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Maybe, but I don't like this "proving a point" shit. Anyone who respects MMA knows the a boxer can't just rip through anyone. If he had been KOed by someone like Rampage in a stand up fight, MMA > Boxing undisputedly. It's not even that he was given a wrestler. That's not the concern. It's that he was given Randy ******* Couture. I remember a chatbox was on the site I watched it on and everyone was like "this proves MMA is better". It's essentially like putting Ken Shamrock in there with a Klitschko. Toney should have got some low level wrestler who had a big chance to prove himself with a W over a former boxing world champion, but it gives Toney the oppertunity to prove his striking and to potentially put on some bigger MMA fights down the line. The guy was willing to man up and accept a fight with a UFC hall of famer and one of the greatest of all time, so whether he's shit or not he went in there and tried.
But that's my point mate, he was calling UFC fighters "bums" and making it quite clear he didn't respect the sport. As for which sport is better, there's no such thing as a better sport, it's a choice you make based on which you find the most entertaining and have the most passion for. I also don't think Toney getting Couture was any worse than Lesnar getting Mir for his first fight, a guy who is world class in one aspect of MMA against a well-rounded, former champion. But hey, we're coming at it from two different angles so I doubt we'll agree.
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I find it unbelievable when people even use the word Seagal and "fighter" in the same sentence. The guys an actor. He might be able to disarm a guy with a rubber knife if he came at him in slow motion from just the right angle, but that's about it.
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But that's my point mate, he was calling UFC fighters "bums" and making it quite clear he didn't respect the sport. As for which sport is better, there's no such thing as a better sport, it's a choice you make based on which you find the most entertaining and have the most passion for. I also don't think Toney getting Couture was any worse than Lesnar getting Mir for his first fight, a guy who is world class in one aspect of MMA against a well-rounded, former champion. But hey, we're coming at it from two different angles so I doubt we'll agree.
I think he deserves some respect for stepping up though. He had to know that he was way out of his prime, stepping in with a HOFer in MMA (something he'll never achieve in his own sport).

I agree with no sport being better. I find combat sports to be the only ones that keep me entertained but many people are big into their football.

I've heard a lot of people say that Lesnar was always pushed towards being the star and Dana wanted him protected, but when you look at the competiton Lesnar got in such a short amount of fights, it's ridiculous. Getting the Korean guy at I think 2-5 was typical for a first fight. But then getting Frank Mir, Heath Herring, Randy Couture, Carwin, Velasquez and Overeem consecutivly is one of the best line up of fights I've seen.

But that was the same scenario. Lesnar was thrown in with the wolves because they wanted to show the difference between a "pro wrestler"'s physical ability and an MMA fighter's. I suppose Dana figured that it was win/win in both cases. One way, he proves that he has the surperior sport, and the other he gets a big name fighter with a lot of hype on his roster. I suppose in Toney's case that you could say he is battle tested. He has been through fights were as a new comer to MMA wouldn't be, so that experience allowed him to skip the small promotions. Maybe it's just the dying boxing fan in me trying to keep some sort of favouritism for the sport that got me into watching fighting.

EDIT: I'm looking it up now. Toney directly called out Kimbo Slice. That was MUCH better suited. But at the same time, lmfao at "David Haye said you were delusional to fight in MMA, what is your response?" "David Haye is gay" bwahahahaha.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:03 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I think he deserves some respect for stepping up though. He had to know that he was way out of his prime, stepping in with a HOFer in MMA (something he'll never achieve in his own sport).

I agree with no sport being better. I find combat sports to be the only ones that keep me entertained but many people are big into their football.

I've heard a lot of people say that Lesnar was always pushed towards being the star and Dana wanted him protected, but when you look at the competiton Lesnar got in such a short amount of fights, it's ridiculous. Getting the Korean guy at I think 2-5 was typical for a first fight. But then getting Frank Mir, Heath Herring, Randy Couture, Carwin, Velasquez and Overeem consecutivly is one of the best line up of fights I've seen.

But that was the same scenario. Lesnar was thrown in with the wolves because they wanted to show the difference between a "pro wrestler"'s physical ability and an MMA fighter's. I suppose Dana figured that it was win/win in both cases. One way, he proves that he has the surperior sport, and the other he gets a big name fighter with a lot of hype on his roster. I suppose in Toney's case that you could say he is battle tested. He has been through fights were as a new comer to MMA wouldn't be, so that experience allowed him to skip the small promotions. Maybe it's just the dying boxing fan in me trying to keep some sort of favouritism for the sport that got me into watching fighting.

EDIT: I'm looking it up now. Toney directly called out Kimbo Slice. That was MUCH better suited. But at the same time, lmfao at "David Haye said you were delusional to fight in MMA, what is your response?" "David Haye is gay" bwahahahaha.


Agree with alot of what you said there. I didn't know he said that about Haye.lol. Will have to look it up.
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I saw this article on a non MMA related site. Segal is ready anytime any place.

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The 60-year-old Seagal is willing to accept the challenge.
“I have to wonder what his intentions may have been in saying that,” said Seagal. “I always thought that Randy was my friend and a gentleman. I’m kind of confused why he would say that, but I’m here, anybody can find me any time and any place. If Randy really wants to fight me, he can fight me any time he wants”
“It would be for free, and it would be some place where there are no witnesses. I’m hoping it wouldn’t get to that, and I don’t know why it would come about, but if that’s what he wants, he can get it any time he wants.”
“I don’t play by the rules. I’m sure one person will walk out. I’m a man of honor. I’m a gentleman, but I am a warrior, and if he needs to find me, he knows where to find me.” [MMA Fighting, Transcribed via MMA.tv]
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I saw this article on a non MMA related site. Segal is ready anytime any place.
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quote Couture recently quipped that he would stay retired, “unless Seagal wants to sign up.”
The 60-year-old Seagal is willing to accept the challenge.
“I have to wonder what his intentions may have been in saying that,” said Seagal. “I always thought that Randy was my friend and a gentleman. I’m kind of confused why he would say that, but I’m here, anybody can find me any time and any place. If Randy really wants to fight me, he can fight me any time he wants”
“It would be for free, and it would be some place where there are no witnesses. I’m hoping it wouldn’t get to that, and I don’t know why it would come about, but if that’s what he wants, he can get it any time he wants.”
“I don’t play by the rules. I’m sure one person will walk out. I’m a man of honor. I’m a gentleman, but I am a warrior, and if he needs to find me, he knows where to find me.” [MMA Fighting, Transcribed via MMA.tv]
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