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**The Best Around** · 08-19-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnyg4508

So in other words you would rather award rematches to guys who were finished rather than guys who were hosed by judges?

That is an odd way of thinking about it.

Yes. Because those were marquee matches where Sonnen could have shocked the world and people would want to see how Brock did better with experience. They are compelling storylines that would make a potential second fight interesting. The judges robbing a decision doesn't make the second fight any more interesting. Considering how pitiful Edgar/Maynard 3 and Edgar/Bendo 2 did, this is no surprise.

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StandThemUp · 08-20-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WarCraved

Lol, because winning the fight then getting finished from out of nowhere is the same thing as a one-sided finish.

Uh, Yeah. They are both legit wins.

There is a difference between dominating most of a fight and losing and actually winning.
I'm far more impressed with the guy that was losing coming back and winning than they guy that was dominating ending up losing.

Anyone can dominate most of a fight and loose. But it takes a true Champ to be dominated most of a fight then come back in win.

**ClydebankBlitz** · 08-20-2012, 05:02 AM

The thing is, the talent level near the top is so high that it's difficult for a new fighter to make it big. Look at Jones, by having a young and dominant fighter beat everyone, so many rematches were put off. Right now, imagine Shogun was the champ still and Jones never existed. Which non-rematch fights would he be involved in right now (imagining he had a 5 fight win streak or whatever since the Jones fight). You need new guys to make it big for rematches to be avoided. Diaz being in the LW title race mixes it up, Overeem mixes it up etc. Unless a division is crazy deep, rematches are always going to catch up.

**John8204** · 08-20-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ClydebankBlitz

The thing is, the talent level near the top is so high that it's difficult for a new fighter to make it big. Look at Jones, by having a young and dominant fighter beat everyone, so many rematches were put off. Right now, imagine Shogun was the champ still and Jones never existed. Which non-rematch fights would he be involved in right now (imagining he had a 5 fight win streak or whatever since the Jones fight). You need new guys to make it big for rematches to be avoided. Diaz being in the LW title race mixes it up, Overeem mixes it up etc. Unless a division is crazy deep, rematches are always going to catch up.

Actually it's conceivable we wouldn't have any rematches if Shogun were champion

Shogun/Rashad - would have happened, better yet Phil Davis wouldn't have been eliminated from title contention.

Shogun/Phil Davis (or Ryan Bader they would likely fight in a title eliminator).

Shogun/Henderson (when he came over)

Shogun/Gustafersson (where we are at right now)

Nick_V03 · 08-22-2012, 04:45 PM

I find a scenario where Shogun has a 5 fight winning streak in the UFC hard to believe, haha.

Quick rematches in general are irritating. Like Machida getting choked out and finished decisively, but then wins a single fight and gets a quick rematch. I know it's the timing and all, but it's still difficult to get excited for.

**ClydebankBlitz** · 08-23-2012, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by John8204

Actually it's conceivable we wouldn't have any rematches if Shogun were champion

Shogun/Rashad - would have happened, better yet Phil Davis wouldn't have been eliminated from title contention.

Shogun/Phil Davis (or Ryan Bader they would likely fight in a title eliminator).

Shogun/Henderson (when he came over)

Shogun/Gustafersson (where we are at right now)

I meant NOW. Had he faught all of those (which he would have between the Lyoto win and now), what fights would there be that aren't rematches now?