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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-17-2012, 10:07 PM Thread Starter
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Sick to death of unnecessary rematches at 155

As everyone knows we have seen a ridiculous amount of rematches at 155 recently. In my opinion in order for a rematch to be justified it needs to meet 3 criteria:

Both fighters are similarly ranked. This is so a victory for either fighter has a clear impac on their place in the division.

The first fight had to be close. No need to see a rematch if one guy got owned the whole first fight. An exception can be made if it was a long time ago when the fighters fought e.g. Chael vs Forrest.

The first fight had to be exciting. If the first fight sucked the why put the fans through it again. It is a business and it is in everyones interest to see great fights.

The exception to the rule is if a guy has a great legacy, fans seem to get behind them and feel they deserve another crack at "their" belt. This makes things more interesting for fans and helps sell the fight, so it makes sense in a way.

So it begins when Frankie wins the title.

Rematch 1 - Edgar vs Penn 2. The first fight is not a great fight, but close. BJ got this rematch based on his legacy. This fight is jus about justifiable.

Rematch 2 - Edgar vs Maynard 2. The first fight was a dull Lay and Pray affair, which begs the question why put that fight on again? O.K. Gray was undefeated and held a victory over the champ so I understand the thinking. Not justified in my opinion (even if it turned out to be a great fight).

Rematch 3 - Edgar vs Maynard 3. The only fully justified rematch of the lot given the last fight was fantastic and it went to a draw. So this rematch makes sense.

Rematch 4 - Edgar vs Henderson 2. Complete rubbish. Henderson won the first fight quite clearly AND it was a very mediocre fight with both guys not engaging.

Rematch 5 - The winner of Henderson vs Diaz will likely be a rematch. Either Henderson fights Cerrone for a THIRD time after beating him twice, once by finish. Henderson fights Pettis again which as the first fight was exciting and close I understand. Diaz fights Cerrone again to rematch a fight that wasn't close at all or Diaz fights Pettis.

I really feel that rematches should be the absolute last option, for a title fight especially. If a rematch meets my criteria then put on the fight and I will watch. But when you have many top contenders ready and willing to fight the champ, why the hell would you put on a rematch than based on past performance does not look like it will be exciting. Dana even said Frankie only got the rematch because he has been loyal to them and done as they asked, which is honorable of Dana. But **** that, we pay for fights and we deserve to get the best ones, not the same ones over and over.

Lets hope for the sake of the 155 division that Diaz and Pettis can pull out the victory so we don't see another competely unwanted rematch.

Rant over. Opinions welcomed.
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-17-2012, 10:15 PM
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I think they need to do more sudden death rounds. I'm sick of rematches as well, but I do think some of these bouts were very close, causing people to be upset with either outcome. Sudden death overtime provides a more clear winner IMO.
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post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-17-2012, 10:18 PM
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It think the whole situation is funny. They gave Frankie a rematch when he didn't really deserve one and now, when he does deserve one he isn't going to get it. Serves the UFC right for putting that BS rematch on in the first place.
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post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-17-2012, 10:48 PM
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Yea, Frankie may not have deserved the Henderson rematch too much, but he won it. Go figure.
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post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-17-2012, 10:59 PM
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There aren't gonna be anymore rematches at 155, atleast involving Frankie.

And Henderson/Diaz won't have a rematch, I think it's gonna go one of two ways.

Bendo wins by out-wrestling him, similar to Diaz' losses to Guida, Stevenson, Stun Gun, etc or Nate ****s him up on the feet and he's black and blue all over.

Now, there may be a rematch sometime down the line with Nate and Cerrone/Maynard or Henderson/Cerrone but the Frankie Edgar rematch days are over.

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i have no problems with rematches that happen a couple years later, especially if the loser of said match has a nice win streak.. i dont want to see diaz vs cerrone any time soon, but i would like to see pettis and hendo.. the most undeserving was frankie vs. hendo 2, but its still a shame that frankie couldnt get his belt back after whooping bendo 4 rounds to 1..
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post #7 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-18-2012, 01:00 AM
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I'm confused, are you talking Instant rematches, or just rematches that happen later in time as a result of each fighters progression.

You talk about a rematch after Henderson vs Diaz - But not between the two of them??

If I am reading you correctly, whoever fights the winner of Diaz vs Henderson, may have fought one or the other at some point in time, but since it's not an instant rematch, but rather the result of natural progression for the contenders, I have no problem with it.

So if it isn't an instant rematch, their previous match, really has no consideration. If it's instant, it means the previous match was either really close or controversial. But a rematch between two guys that faught a few years ago and it just turns out that their paths cross again is totally different and I have no problem with that.
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post #8 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-18-2012, 01:31 AM
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Well, I believe that Penn deserved the instant rematch as some believe he won, and based on his legacy alone he deserved the rematch.

You are saying the first Edgar-Maynard rematch shouldn't have happened? The first Edgar-Mayynard fight was 2 years before their second fight. Furthermore, Edgar was holding the belt while Maynard was on a 5 fight win streak that included the likes of Florian, Diaz and Miller. Maynard earned his shot, and I don't see how the first rematch was not justified.

Edgar-Maynard III was completely fair due to the draw that happened.

I don't agree really agree with Henderson vs Edgar II.

As for Henderson vs Cerrone III, the 2nd fight was over 2 years ago. I admit I have not watched many of Cerrone's fights in WEC, but we can all pretty much agree that Cerrone is a beast in the UFC. Except for that humiliating loss to Diaz, he has looked really dominant in his fights. With a win over Pettis, I'm sure one can get hyped about Henderson vs Cerrone despite the previous two bouts.

Henderson vs Pettis II: The last WEC champion who won against Henderson faces him again for the UFC title this time. Completely fair.

Cerrone vs Diaz is a little difficult to accept, considering Cerrone it would have been just 3 fights after the first bout. However, Cerrone would have earned his shot if he gets a win over Pettis, and we can't blame UFC for putting the title fight together if Diaz happens to be the champion.

I understand your gripe about certain instant rematches, but definitely not those rematches that happen sometime down the road.
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Too bad you're not a Frankie fanboy, you'd love em', like me!
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post #10 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-18-2012, 04:21 AM
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I rep'd you as soon as I saw the title. I hate the idea of an instant rematch period. I think it's completely meaningless UNLESS the first fight was a draw, DQ, or no contest. If someone won the fight without any of those things happening, move on to the next person. Many other fighters in the division that are deserving of a title shot.
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