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Old 08-19-2012, 05:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gustafsson: Viking From The Mountains Comes Down To Fight



Gustaf preparing for Shogun, taking him very seriously as he should.

On paper at this point in time I think Gustaf is favorite, but like he says, Shogun brings it every time and his will to win gets him through adversity. If Gustaf fights smart he should take it but if anyone can drag him into a brawl and beat him there, it's Rua. Can't wait for this fight.
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I will be pulling for Shogun, but if he looks like he did against Vera, Gustaf is taking it.
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I think he's gonna beat Shogun handily in all honesty.

Shogun takes a lot of shots, he looked very slow against Vera and for someone who uses a lot of footwork and movement like Gus that's gonna be bad for Shogun. He's got a lot of power too, I think he'll stop Shogun late or get a one sided decision.
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If it stays on the feet Gus takes it, but I really think Rua survives long enough to take him down and pound him out.
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It's true Gustaf uses a ton of footwork, movement, and angles. Actually gets me dizzy sometimes from the way he moves from side to side then POW!

Here's the problem Gustaf is faster, but so was Machida. Shogun always counters usually with his right over hand simultaneously as the opponent is striking against him or lunges with his left hook. Gustaf is going to have to attack sooner than later. Shogun will stand in the pocket as he always does waiting to engage. There will be a point(s) in the match where there will be a clinch or quick brawl eventually as the fighter always gets stuck in the fence albeit briefly. Taking the favoritism out I really can't pin point who would win DECISIVELY. This to me shows me it's a very even match.

Actually mid way as I was writing this I saw two scenarios. I think if Gustaf plays the keep away tactic he may lose because of lack of Octagon control. If Gustaf decides to take Shogun down and land GNP then I believe he can take it.
This is based on my assessment from re-watching the first Shogun vs Griffin fight. Plus JBJ and Coleman. Shogun doesn't do as well against GNP artists. He usually only sweeps and spends a ton of energy doing it. Even Machida took him down and damaged his knee in the process in the 2nd fight before he got knocked out. If you really think about it, it was almost a bit of victory there because that injury took Shogun out for a while and he eventually lost to JBJ. While he may have lost regardless, the knee injury and surgery could not have helped.

So yes Gustaf has the tools to win he needs to be careful an implement a solid game plan. Sadly the fan favorite doesn't seem to implement a real strategy other than the very first Machida fight. He seems to well...literally wing it everytime. Must be the old Pride style in em...

I want Gustaf to win just not against Shogun which sucks because I want both to fight against JBJ. Tough fight!
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I think he's gonna beat Shogun handily in all honesty.

Shogun takes a lot of shots, he looked very slow against Vera and for someone who uses a lot of footwork and movement like Gus that's gonna be bad for Shogun. He's got a lot of power too, I think he'll stop Shogun late or get a one sided decision.
I'm with you, Vera made shogun look slow and shogun gassed quickly. I think gustaf wins a close first and picks it up near the end of the round and finishes shogun late in the first or in the second.





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It's true Gustaf uses a ton of footwork, movement, and angles. Actually gets me dizzy sometimes from the way he moves from side to side then POW!

Here's the problem Gustaf is faster, but so was Machida. Shogun always counters usually with his right over hand simultaneously as the opponent is striking against him or lunges with his left hook. Gustaf is going to have to attack sooner than later. Shogun will stand in the pocket as he always does waiting to engage. There will be a point(s) in the match where there will be a clinch or quick brawl eventually as the fighter always gets stuck in the fence albeit briefly. Taking the favoritism out I really can't pin point who would win DECISIVELY. This to me shows me it's a very even match.
Everyone who has come lunging in on gustaf has found themselves eating straight shots down the pipe and going to sleep. The difference between Machida and gustaf is Machida is just fast and bounces in and out, where gustaf cuts angles and moves in all directions. Shogun was able to chase Machida straight backwards and throw punches until they hit the cage and land on Machida when he couldn't back up. But shogun had to throw six and seven punches everytime to land two. Gustaf will land, shogun will come forward throw three or four and gustaf will step out and shogun will be punching air.


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I'm a fan of both guys, but a bigger Rua fan so i'm hoping he comes back with a better performance than he did against Vera. This a way tougher test than Vera though. I wouldn't be that surprised if Gus did win, but am giving the edge to Shogun based on his ability to bounce back after shitty performances. If his cardio isn't solid though, I would favor Gus.
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I'm with you, Vera made shogun look slow and shogun gassed quickly. I think gustaf wins a close first and picks it up near the end of the round and finishes shogun late in the first or in the second.







Everyone who has come lunging in on gustaf has found themselves eating straight shots down the pipe and going to sleep. The difference between Machida and gustaf is Machida is just fast and bounces in and out, where gustaf cuts angles and moves in all directions. Shogun was able to chase Machida straight backwards and throw punches until they hit the cage and land on Machida when he couldn't back up. But shogun had to throw six and seven punches everytime to land two. Gustaf will land, shogun will come forward throw three or four and gustaf will step out and shogun will be punching air.


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Yep definitely a scenario I envisioned. But the flip side can be true while Gustaf strikes Shogun will be waiting with a shot of his own. Gustaf knows he can't afford to engage in that style so my bet would be for him to take him down.

This is not a fight I would bet on. Gustaf knows this is his shot at stardom with title implications. So I expect
an even better Mauler in the Octagon. Shogun at the age of 29 is already a bonafide legend and veteran, one who I would not rule out. Early on I said Shogun so I'll stick with it.

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It's true Gustaf uses a ton of footwork, movement, and angles. Actually gets me dizzy sometimes from the way he moves from side to side then POW!

Here's the problem Gustaf is faster, but so was Machida. Shogun always counters usually with his right over hand simultaneously as the opponent is striking against him or lunges with his left hook. Gustaf is going to have to attack sooner than later. Shogun will stand in the pocket as he always does waiting to engage. There will be a point(s) in the match where there will be a clinch or quick brawl eventually as the fighter always gets stuck in the fence albeit briefly. Taking the favoritism out I really can't pin point who would win DECISIVELY. This to me shows me it's a very even match.

Actually mid way as I was writing this I saw two scenarios. I think if Gustaf plays the keep away tactic he may lose because of lack of Octagon control. If Gustaf decides to take Shogun down and land GNP then I believe he can take it.
This is based on my assessment from re-watching the first Shogun vs Griffin fight. Plus JBJ and Coleman. Shogun doesn't do as well against GNP artists. He usually only sweeps and spends a ton of energy doing it. Even Machida took him down and damaged his knee in the process in the 2nd fight before he got knocked out. If you really think about it, it was almost a bit of victory there because that injury took Shogun out for a while and he eventually lost to JBJ. While he may have lost regardless, the knee injury and surgery could not have helped.

So yes Gustaf has the tools to win he needs to be careful an implement a solid game plan. Sadly the fan favorite doesn't seem to implement a real strategy other than the very first Machida fight. He seems to well...literally wing it everytime. Must be the old Pride style in em...

I want Gustaf to win just not against Shogun which sucks because I want both to fight against JBJ. Tough fight!
I don't know.

Even though Gus only has a 75/76 inch reach or something like that, he's 6'5 and they don't measure the legs. Gus may work Shogun over with the push kick to the knee like Jones did with Shogun and that could help slow Shogun down then if he gets him against the cage he can tee off on Shogun with punches.

The only flaw I see with Gus is that he employs a style very similar to the one Dominick Cruz uses, and Dominick being only 135 lbs can pull it off, it's a little harder for a guy whose 205 but he's proved he can go three rounds using that style so maybe it won't be a problem.
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Shogun is fighting on borrowed time IMO. He has been shot for a while now but it's being covered up by feeding him cans like Brandon Vera and hugely overrated old guys like Dan Henderson. Gustaffson will expose him just like Jon Jones did and show the world that Shogun is long past his prime, probably due to multiple injuries.
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