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Old 08-23-2012, 09:13 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Oh man, this might be Chael's finest work yet. I laughed my ass of the entire time. While I tend to dislike Chael and straight up hated him after he got so repetitive with the Silva thing, I'll be rooting for him in all his 205 fights just so I can see this matchup happen.

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Old 08-23-2012, 09:50 PM   #32 (permalink)
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NOT this again. I'm not ready to see Sonnen wear a belt to the conferences again calling himself a champion. Last time the champ fought at LHW he got triangled by Renato f'n Sobral.
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Jones may not be a "Business Man", but he is more of a business man than he is a "Fighter".
What he is, is an "Athlete".
Jones wants to go through his decorated career without messing up his pretty face, big call I know, but I could see him tapping to strikes if he was a bloody mess like, say Joe Stevenson against BJ, because he' s not a true fighter.
Full respect to those that are, because I think fans take for granted the fighting spirit that most of these guys display.
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It takes a brain, not balls. What did Sonnen have to lose? He knew Jones would easily beat him considering the weight disadvantage, lack of training, etc. So either lighting struck and Sonnen would win the belt, or Jones would beat him but Sonnen would make hundreds of thousands of dollars, be loved by the UFC even more, gain even more fans (which he did anyway), and there would be no shame in the loss.

I'm glad he can keep his gimmick going with this though, I'm a fan.
He has everything to lose. He wants a shot at the title. Although he says a lot of bullshit, one thing he said was true - he wants to be the champ. If he wereg to get slaughtered, there's no way he would get another title shot. He wouldn't lose that chance on purpose just to get some money.

Also, he accepted the fight via telephone without notice, so it wasn't like something he pondered and later accepted. He would have come to fight. That's for damn sure.
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Oh no, I'm not doubting his desire to fight. I give the guy credit for that. I just think it's very similar to the Rashad/Ortiz fight from last summer where for the replacement guy, it's very high reward/low risk. For Jones it was very low reward/high risk but it would be hard to imagine any possible way Sonnen beating him considering the weight difference and lack of training.
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Oh no, I'm not doubting his desire to fight. I give the guy credit for that. I just think it's very similar to the Rashad/Ortiz fight from last summer where for the replacement guy, it's very high reward/low risk. For Jones it was very low reward/high risk but it would be hard to imagine any possible way Sonnen beating him considering the weight difference and lack of training.
For Jones it was low risk high reward. Sonnen didn't have a ******* camp, and was used to fighting guys at 185. Jones would have made hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight a 185 pounder with no training camp. It boggles the ******* mind why he would turn that fight down.
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For Jones it was low risk high reward. Sonnen didn't have a ******* camp, and was used to fighting guys at 185. Jones would have made hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight a 185 pounder with no training camp. It boggles the ******* mind why he would turn that fight down.
You forgot the extremely horrible stylistic matchup that Jones would been favored for drastically. The fight isn't even hard for Jones if Sonnen had a good transition to 205 with a full camp, much less this way.
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It takes a brain, not balls. What did Sonnen have to lose? He knew Jones would easily beat him considering the weight disadvantage, lack of training, etc. So either lighting struck and Sonnen would win the belt, or Jones would beat him but Sonnen would make hundreds of thousands of dollars, be loved by the UFC even more, gain even more fans (which he did anyway), and there would be no shame in the loss.

I'm glad he can keep his gimmick going with this though, I'm a fan.
It definitely takes balls.

Chaels chances on beating Jon Jones while not being in fighting shape is 1 out of a hundred. Is Chael going to knock the MUCH bigger Jones out??? Ofcourse not. Is he going to submit him??? Ofcourse not. Is he going to take him down??? Possibly. Is he going to be able to take him down and work for 5 rounds??? Hell no. Not without a full training camp.

YET Chael was willing to risk being humiliated infront of millions of people because the situation called for it. And after he lost he would be so far away from a title shot he never would have gotten one again.

Now Chael can beat 1 or 2 guys and challenge Jon Jones with the UFCs support and a Story Line to boot. It will be another superbowl fight for the UFC with the Chael Hype Machine leading the way.


It also boggles my mind why people think 500k+ is a low reward. The money Jones would have made on this EASY fight is amazing. It would have been the easiest penny he has made. And he would have gotten more popular after the fight and kept the belt.

Now Jones is in a situation where he might actually lose his belt against the guy he was complaining was his lowest PPV buyrate.
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Wow, is Chael ever the supertroll. The guy doesn't even have to fight and he doubled his profile once again, got put in title talks once again. It's crazy. He's a huge thorn in the greatest prodigy the UFC has seen and he hasn't even put his toe in the same division's water yet.

I respect Sonnen in many ways because I do believe he would and respect the fact that he will take fights on 0 days notice, and wants to be the champ, bar-none. That being said, in no way does he deserve a shot at LHW belt under any circumstance.

The blame here should largely be put on the UFC and Dana White's shoulders for not having any idea how to deal with a situation like this when they KNOW first hand how bad injuries have hurt them. They should make contingency plans and conditional arrangements. Asking a MW who has just lost a title match and has never competed in the UFCs LHW division is laughable. I have little doubt in my mind that Sonnen was called due to his popularity and marketability. Dana can scoff all he likes about the illegitimacy of other organizations, and paper champions, paper challengers and general lack of integrity, but having Sonnen fight Jones for the lHW would have been farcical and pretty much a money grab.

So it gets put on Jon Jones shoulder's to accept his opponent on 8 days notice, and I agree, that a true champion would have accepted it as the noble thing to do. The thing with Jones is that I think he disdains Chael so much he doesn't want to give him a sniff, and, that he is far too calculating (blindingly so), to accept a fight like this right now. Not to mention he has Jackson in his ear, and it seems like a master say student do relationship.

Its one of those times where its not your fault, its not fair that you have to make the choice, but damnit, you have to suck it up and be gracious about it.

He wants to be known as great, he wants to build a legacy, well legacies are built on unexpected transpirations like this, opportunities being seized in the moment. Just because you're champ doesn't mean you get to sit pretty. Quite the opposite actually.
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Wow, is Chael ever the supertroll. The guy doesn't even have to fight and he doubled his profile once again, got put in title talks once again. It's crazy. He's a huge thorn in the greatest prodigy the UFC has seen and he hasn't even put his toe in the same division's water yet.

I respect Sonnen in many ways because I do believe he would and respect the fact that he will take fights on 0 days notice, and wants to be the champ, bar-none. That being said, in no way does he deserve a shot at LHW belt under any circumstance.

The blame here should largely be put on the UFC and Dana White's shoulders for not having any idea how to deal with a situation like this when they KNOW first hand how bad injuries have hurt them. They should make contingency plans and conditional arrangements. Asking a MW who has just lost a title match and has never competed in the UFCs LHW division is laughable. I have little doubt in my mind that Sonnen was called due to his popularity and marketability. Dana can scoff all he likes about the illegitimacy of other organizations, and paper champions, paper challengers and general lack of integrity, but having Sonnen fight Jones for the lHW would have been farcical and pretty much a money grab.

So it gets put on Jon Jones shoulder's to accept his opponent on 8 days notice, and I agree, that a true champion would have accepted it as the noble thing to do. The thing with Jones is that I think he disdains Chael so much he doesn't want to give him a sniff, and, that he is far too calculating (blindingly so), to accept a fight like this right now. Not to mention he has Jackson in his ear, and it seems like a master say student do relationship.

Its one of those times where its not your fault, its not fair that you have to make the choice, but damnit, you have to suck it up and be gracious about it.

He wants to be known as great, he wants to build a legacy, well legacies are built on unexpected transpirations like this, opportunities being seized in the moment. Just because you're champ doesn't mean you get to sit pretty. Quite the opposite actually.
The contingency plan was to have Jones fight a different opponent. No one could have guessed that Jones was going to decide he wasnt going to fight anymore if he has to get a new opponent. That is unheard of.
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