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Old 08-24-2012, 07:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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All I've ever seen you post is how you wanted Hendo to KO jones and how you disliked his personality. Yeah maybe you respect his fighting abilities but so does everyone else who irrationally hates him.

And plenty of others are defending bones. John4345 or whatever his name is, limba, and anyone who isn't just reacting blindly to the scapegoating job done by dana.

Bones isn't even one of my favorite fighters, but I am defending him because the hatred against him from the very beginning strikes me as complete bias and hypocrisy.
I don't know his personality so I couldn't really say anything on that. Yeah I wanted Hendo to knock him out, but you've got a lifetime legend in MMA stepping in, after stopping Fedor and a fight of the year against Shogun, against a young dominant champion whom he is given no chance against. That doesn't stop me from being a Jones fan. Sht like this does.

And I don't know the job Dana's done because I don't read much of the stuff. What I know is:-

- Henderson got injured and pulled out.
- Jones was offered Sonnen, who's moving up a weight and hasn't trained...but refused to take the fight out of fear that he might lose (he said himself that the styles are too different etc).
- Machida and Shogun refused to fight Jones, because in that case they would have been thrown down to the bottom of the pile had they lost.

Jones killed 151, and Jones pussied out of the easy Sonnen fight.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Oh I agree the hate would have been there regardless.

Got to be honest though, I dont have the time or the energy to scroll through 20000+ pages of Bones hate to find posters who were once fans.
If there were so many you'd only have to scroll 5 to find one no? But there aren't. Making up facts is convenient when no one asks for proof.

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Jeff Hougland can't pay his daughter's school clothes with an apology. According to Dana Jones knew they would cancel the card if he didn't step up. Not sure who to believe.
He could have paid it from the $20000 he made 3 months ago, or the $20000 he'll make in another month or two. If he's living paycheck to paycheck with $20000 in the bank that's his fault.

And Dana's for cancelling the event and putting on a crap card to begin with.

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Liddle, what difference does it make with Jones fighting someone in 8 days vs the 22nd? He is ready for a fight, he had a training camp etc. If he is willing to fight Chael or whoever on the 22nd? Why can't he do it on the first?

A fight is a fight, but people are looking pass what he said about strategy etc. **** that shit, had Jon Jones not been a greg jackson fighter he would have fought any man on the 1st.
Do you really think there's no difference between 3 days of training and 20? Especially when you can't go hard those 3 days because you don't want to be bruised in the cage?

It's not a greg jackson thing, it's madness to fight one of the best takedown artists in MMA without having given your body those reactions REPEATEDLY for the last few months. He wouldn't have done so with Hendo's token mma wrestling which he never uses.

Also how do you guys know Chael was out of shape? Isn't it possible that Chael, being so close to Dan, knew of the injury sooner and started calling Jones out because of it, all the while training for him and gaining his edge?
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:05 AM   #23 (permalink)
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It's Dana's fault for putting together such a shit card with only one fight. Nice scapegoating job too.

Chael and Henderson are completely different fighters. One just dives for takedowns all night, the other likes to stand and bang. The "wrestler" tag is oversimplifying.

Of course Chael took the fight. ANYONE would. It's FOR THE BELT. With NO WORK WHATSOEVER. It's not about balls, he has everything to gain and nothing to lose. If he loses it's because he had no camp. If he wins, he's CHAMP.

It's the other way round for Jones. If he wins, he gets NOTHING except "he just beat a guy without a camp" comments. If he loses he loses everything. And for what? "fans" who would still hate him regardless and dissect everything he says.

Also Chael doesn't need to train specifically for Jones, he does the same damn thing every fight regardless of who he's fighting because that's all he knows how to do, and admittedly is pretty good at it. Jones would need to train COMPLETELY differently for Chael though because he probably wasn't training for a guy double legging him all night.

Why not offer the fight to gustaf, davis, glover or AN ACTUAL LHW instead of some guy with an active twitter? I guarantee you many would jump to accept a freebie title shot.

But no follow the bald demagogue and hate who he tells you to hate.
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He could have paid it from the $20000 he made 3 months ago, or the $20000 he'll make in another month or two. If he's living paycheck to paycheck with $20000 in the bank that's his fault.
Dude your being extremely harsh there and possibly a bit naive on what it costs to get prepared as a fighter these days.
First theres tax, then a lot of people need to be paid, travel expense and so on to get your fight camp ready. Buy 3 return flights just for the guys in your corner and depending where your leaving from that could be $1000 alone, never mind their % of your purse. AFTER that then you spend the rest on your family to feed them and buy school books and so on.
I dont get your thinking on that at all. You have to start as a fighter somewhere. Living on $40,000 a year with a family is a big struggle in some states like NY you would be on the poverty line with that

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You really can't point the finger at one person or organisation here and say "It's his/their fault!"

The reason for UFC 151 getting cancelled has to be split, Jones didn't accept ANY of the fights offered to him on short notice, and the UFC relied too heavily on Jones as a headliner so the rest of the card was basically not PPV worthy in itself.

The compilation of these factors resulted in the mess we're currently in.

While this whole thing made me slightly angry at Jones, I can't solely place the blame and my anger with him. Dana/Zuffa deserves some to :/

Sad day all in all
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:45 AM   #26 (permalink)
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You really can't point the finger at one person or organisation here and say "It's his/their fault!"

The reason for UFC 151 getting cancelled has to be split, Jones didn't accept ANY of the fights offered to him on short notice, and the UFC relied too heavily on Jones as a headliner so the rest of the card was basically not PPV worthy in itself.

The compilation of these factors resulted in the mess we're currently in.

While this whole thing made me slightly angry at Jones, I can't solely place the blame and my anger with him. Dana/Zuffa deserves some to :/

Sad day all in all
Completely agree with you.Thats how i feel about it as well, hope Jones and UFC have learned a big lesson after this
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:50 AM   #27 (permalink)
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He could have paid it from the $20000 he made 3 months ago, or the $20000 he'll make in another month or two. If he's living paycheck to paycheck with $20000 in the bank that's his fault.
Lauzon said that by the time he's paid all his trainers and made it to the octagon he's spent around 20k.
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Jones is a great athlete, no doubt about that. But Jones is no fighter. Fighters fight when they are asked to fight. I understand his decision logistically, but I lost respect for him.

Chael Sonnen is a fighter. I never really liked Anderson Silva much, but apparently he offered to step up to try to save the card by fighting another LHW, even though he hasn't trained at all since his fight with Chael. Anderson is a fighter.

"I think Im a good company guy. The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it, and I never tell them no for anything. Ive had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I dont think most champs are like that" - Jon Jones

Maybe Rashad was right when he said Jones was a phony.
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Lauzon said that by the time he's paid all his trainers and made it to the octagon he's spent around 20k.
Don't try to use logic with that Lidell guy. Logic is a foreign thing to him.
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It's Dana's fault for putting together such a shit card with only one fight. Nice scapegoating job too.

Chael and Henderson are completely different fighters. One just dives for takedowns all night, the other likes to stand and bang. The "wrestler" tag is oversimplifying.

Of course Chael took the fight. ANYONE would. It's FOR THE BELT. With NO WORK WHATSOEVER. It's not about balls, he has everything to gain and nothing to lose. If he loses it's because he had no camp. If he wins, he's CHAMP.

It's the other way round for Jones. If he wins, he gets NOTHING except "he just beat a guy without a camp" comments. If he loses he loses everything. And for what? "fans" who would still hate him regardless and dissect everything he says.

Also Chael doesn't need to train specifically for Jones, he does the same damn thing every fight regardless of who he's fighting because that's all he knows how to do, and admittedly is pretty good at it. Jones would need to train COMPLETELY differently for Chael though because he probably wasn't training for a guy double legging him all night.

Why not offer the fight to gustaf, davis, glover or AN ACTUAL LHW instead of some guy with an active twitter? I guarantee you many would jump to accept a freebie title shot.

But no follow the bald demagogue and hate who he tells you to hate.
I would have to agree with all of this.
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