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Old 08-24-2012, 08:54 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Lauzon said that by the time he's paid all his trainers and made it to the octagon he's spent around 20k.
So you're saying most of these guys are fighting for free or at a loss?

Good thing the event got cancelled then, otherwise they'd be even deeper in the hole!

Use your head. Obviously they have to either be making more under the table in cash or the trainer figures aren't that high for undercard level fighters. No one fights for free
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So you're saying most of these guys are fighting for free or at a loss?

Good thing the event got cancelled then, otherwise they'd be even deeper in the hole!

Use your head. Obviously they have to either be making more under the table in cash or the trainer figures aren't that high for undercard level fighters. No one fights for free
You've got to factor in money from sponsors and other undisclosed incomes on top of the basic fighter salary.


At the very most they wouldnt get anything more than the stated fight salary because the event was cancelled.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:04 AM   #33 (permalink)
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So you're saying most of these guys are fighting for free or at a loss?

Good thing the event got cancelled then, otherwise they'd be even deeper in the hole!

Use your head. Obviously they have to either be making more under the table in cash or the trainer figures aren't that high for undercard level fighters. No one fights for free
Man you are just guessing on the costs and what fighters earn. I have sponsored fighters in strikeforce, and it cost me $500 to get on a guys shorts for a televised event. He had maybe 3 more sponsors on his shorts, and a few more on his banner and t-shirt. Probably getting a max of 10g's sponsorship for a guy who had a decent record and was maybe two fights from a title shot.
Why don't you write out a list of typical costs of a fighter, and their typical income and see what they are making and spending. Then you will see the reality of what it costs and will perhaps cease with this nonsense above....
Why do you think knockout of the night etc, is so talked about and on so many guys minds?

The guys that are fighting at the lower levels trying to work their way up are dreaming of those big paychecks and becoming a star. They make sacrifices to try and get there. Just like starting a new business, you mightnt get paid for a long time but you dream of making it big, and are willing to make sacrifices to get there. You are talking like its no big deal at all to lose 20K and in that position. It could very well stop some guys from being a professional fighter and make them go back to work in order to pay their bills. Just like if a new business suddenly lost 20K it could make the owner have to scrap it and go back to a 9 to 5 just to pay his rent.

I would be happy to hear an argument against what I have above, but lets stop guessing and have a little dose of reality
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:06 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I suppose they do say, "No such thing as bad press"
Im pretty sure this qualifies as "bad" press. lol
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I can kinda see Jones' point with his coaches not being there, but still he's a terrible match up for Chael, who wouldn't have had any time to train for Jones and his style unless they got him in there when Hendo first got hurt and planned this whole thing.
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unless they got him in there when Hendo first got hurt and planned this whole thing.
I wouldn't doubt that for one second.

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Im pretty sure this qualifies as "bad" press. lol
But it isn.t really is it if you think about it?

Yeah Jones is getting called all the names under the sun for this but come next PPV you can stonewall guarantee that the PPV buys will be massive and it'll be because all the new haters will be tuning in to hopefully see bones get his ass kicked. Thus, making him and the UFC more money.
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But it isn.t really is it if you think about it?

Yeah Jones is getting called all the names under the sun for this but come next PPV you can stonewall guarantee that the PPV buys will be massive and it'll be because all the new haters will be tuning in to hopefully see bones get his ass kicked. Thus, making him and the UFC more money.
Would you be willing to wager a tenner on that to add a little spice for when the numbers come out?

Lets say anything over 700,000 buys you win...
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Of course Chael took the fight. ANYONE would. It's FOR THE BELT. With NO WORK WHATSOEVER. It's not about balls, he has everything to gain and nothing to lose. #
How about losing his 3rd title shot and becoming the new Faber/Florian?
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Man you are just guessing on the costs and what fighters earn. I have sponsored fighters in strikeforce, and it cost me $500 to get on a guys shorts for a televised event. He had maybe 3 more sponsors on his shorts, and a few more on his banner and t-shirt. Probably getting a max of 10g's sponsorship for a guy who had a decent record and was maybe two fights from a title shot.
Why don't you write out a list of typical costs of a fighter, and their typical income and see what they are making and spending. Then you will see the reality of what it costs and will perhaps cease with this nonsense above....
Why do you think knockout of the night etc, is so talked about and on so many guys minds?

The guys that are fighting at the lower levels trying to work their way up are dreaming of those big paychecks and becoming a star. They make sacrifices to try and get there. Just like starting a new business, you mightnt get paid for a long time but you dream of making it big, and are willing to make sacrifices to get there. You are talking like its no big deal at all to lose 20K and in that position. It could very well stop some guys from being a professional fighter and make them go back to work in order to pay their bills. Just like if a new business suddenly lost 20K it could make the owner have to scrap it and go back to a 9 to 5 just to pay his rent.

I would be happy to hear an argument against what I have above, but lets stop guessing and have a little dose of reality
They're not losing money, they're getting postponed by a month or so, getting bumped to the next available card.

And the argument works either way, if they're making that much amount from an event (through sponsorships, undisclosed cash salaries etc.), then they shouldn't "not have money for daughter's uniform" just by getting postponed for a month. They need to stash some of that money away.

And if they are really making very little even after their sponsorships and bonuses etc., then a cancelled event makes little difference in their financial situation as in that scenario it's the day jobs paying their bills and the fights are only "an opportunity" to become a star and get paid big, an opportunity that's still there a month later.

Either way, a postponed fight shouldn't put them on the streets. And even if it does, Dana is to blame for a) paying them jack and b) putting a crap card together that relied on one guy.

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How about losing his 3rd title shot and becoming the new Faber/Florian?
An unearned title shot without having a single fight in that division? Not really a big issue, it's just a random stat if he loses.

If I offered you a coin flip, with A MILLION DOLLARS if you win, FOR FREE without putting anything up as a bet, would you refuse it? Would you say, naaah I don't wanna risk losing that coin flip that I bet nothing for, keep your million bucks?
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