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Old 08-24-2012, 10:54 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Bones was in fight shape, Sonnen is not, Jones should have taken the easy payday and smashed Sonnen's face into the mat, especially with all the shit talking they are doing with each other on twitter. But Bones is so scared to lose.. Stop being a princess Bones. Man up and take the fight because well, you are a fighter.
Exactly. I really don't get it. After Hendos knee exploded and he dropped out, if somebody had asked me if I thought Bones would accept a fight with Sonnen instead, I would have thought he would have grabbed it. A chance to squash the fecker who's been slandering him. A relatively easy fight and a fat pay check.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:03 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I don't like Jones. I think declining Sonnen was stupid. But I can't hate him for doing what he thinks is best.

But I can hate him for not being a true MMA fighter and more of a modern business fighter. I have gotten into this sport because of guys like Big Nog, Bj Penn, Chuck, Wandy, Shogun, Randy. Modern times Anderson, Joe Lauzon brings it vs. anyone, JDS, Frankie.

Just a handful of years ago guys fought elite competition twice in 1 night.

Looks like Jones is one of the first to care more about the money and fame more than the essence of fighting. Guys like Randy, Penn, Chuck, Big Nog were never afraid to lose a fight. It isn't about their record at the end of the day. It is about fighting and taking on anyone and doing what you love.

Jon Jones isn't like any of those fighters I mentioned. He is damn good. But the spirit of fighting isn't in him. Money, Fame, and having a belt so more people notice him are his main concerns.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:32 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Wow I didn't realize how many of our posters train at team quest with Henderson and Sonnen!

Can someone get me Dan's autograph?

How do we know chael is so far out of fight shape? He was helping Dan train and who knows how long or how hard he's been helping Dan. I wonder how long dans been hiding the injury, at least two weeks which is nothing but what if he's been sitting on this for a month. I'm sure it would still be all Jones fault so all the whiners have something to bitch about.

To be clear I think Jones should have took the fight but I'm not angry or going to be childish about it. So many MMA fans have no perspective and act so entitled.
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Exactly. People need to get a clue and at least wonder why Chael suddenly and randomly started calling out Bones just a month ago out of nowhere.

Yeah he was totally unprepared and out of shape
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Exactly. People need to get a clue and at least wonder why Chael suddenly and randomly started calling out Bones just a month ago out of nowhere.

Yeah he was totally unprepared and out of shape
We are not all assuming Chael was out of shape. Hell, he could be in great shape. But he hasn't had a training camp preparing for Bones same way Bones hasn't been preparing for him. As prepared as Sonnen might be, he cant possibly be in better fight shape then Jones.

I just cant believe Sonnen could possibly win the fight, even with a full training camp let alone without. Which kind of implies Jones turned him down on principle... which more annoying then anything else. It would have been awesome seeing Sonnen lose again.
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If I offered you a coin flip, with A MILLION DOLLARS if you win, FOR FREE without putting anything up as a bet, would you refuse it? Would you say, naaah I don't wanna risk losing that coin flip that I bet nothing for, keep your million bucks?
Bit different as anyone would do the coin flip but in Chaels case, it's his career. Who wants 3 unsuccessful title fights on their record? Kinda hard to promote a guy like that.
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We are not all assuming Chael was out of shape. Hell, he could be in great shape. But he hasn't had a training camp preparing for Bones same way Bones hasn't been preparing for him. As prepared as Sonnen might be, he cant possibly be in better fight shape then Jones.

I just cant believe Sonnen could possibly win the fight, even with a full training camp let alone without. Which kind of implies Jones turned him down on principle... which more annoying then anything else. It would have been awesome seeing Sonnen lose again.
I was implying Sonnen knew of the injury sooner, being buddies with Dan, and WAS training specifically for Jones right before he started calling him out on twitter, whereas Jones had no such warning or specific training.

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Bit different as anyone would do the coin flip but in Chaels case, it's his career. Who wants 3 unsuccessful title fights on their record? Kinda hard to promote a guy like that.
Chael himself stated he wasn't interested in fighting any more if it wasn't for the title and was considering retirement after the Anderson loss. i.e. He no longer cared about his record, just the belt.

It's not like he has such a stellar record anyway with double digit losses. I really doubt a loss to Bones, who has destroyed legends, would hurt his record any more, especially when fighting as a MW "on short notice".
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I was implying Sonnen knew of the injury sooner, being buddies with Dan, and WAS training specifically for Jones right before he started calling him out on twitter, whereas Jones had no such warning or specific training.
Ok. So even under these circumstances ( assuming you are right ) do you actually give Sonnen a chance?

Forgetting our differences for a moment and Danas OTT reaction, surely you must be a little disappointed that Bones didn't accept?
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Exactly. People need to get a clue and at least wonder why Chael suddenly and randomly started calling out Bones just a month ago out of nowhere.

Yeah he was totally unprepared and out of shape
What is the difference?

Who cares if he was in decent shape? He wasn't in real fight shape. Guys have such strict training camps where they try to peek at fight night. I don't care if Sonnen was in "shape" he was not ready for a fight. Not like elite UFC fighters normally are. Jones WAS. Jones is a whole weight class more....actually the biggest guy in the next weight class.

And like Chael said. If he took the fight Chael would have had like 3 days to do anything more, not 8. Chael would be doing more press and travel than actual training for the fight.

So what you are saying is because Chale could have been in OK shape that Jones shoudln't take the fight? Is he that scared?

Times like these is when I miss old MMA. It wasn't about protecting your nike deals. It was actually about you know....fighting. And the fans.
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Ok. So even under these circumstances ( assuming you are right ) do you actually give Sonnen a chance?

Forgetting our differences for a moment and Danas OTT reaction, surely you must be a little disappointed that Bones didn't accept?
I would. Not a big one, but that's his ONLY chance. Catching an unprepared Jones without the ingrained reflexes from the last few months to defend a blazing double leg. While Sonnen has been training all month, specifically on how to counter Jones and his reach.

I am disappointed I didn't get to see Dan vs Bones. I am not the least bit disappointed about not seeing Bones vs Chael. This guy needs to stop getting rewarded for his cheap tactics and tricks.

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What is the difference?

Who cares if he was in decent shape? He wasn't in real fight shape. Guys have such strict training camps where they try to peek at fight night. I don't care if Sonnen was in "shape" he was not ready for a fight. Not like elite UFC fighters normally are. Jones WAS. Jones is a whole weight class more....actually the biggest guy in the next weight class.

And like Chael said. If he took the fight Chael would have had like 3 days to do anything more, not 8. Chael would be doing more press and travel than actual training for the fight.

So what you are saying is because Chale could have been in OK shape that Jones shoudln't take the fight? Is he that scared?

Times like these is when I miss old MMA. It wasn't about protecting your nike deals. It was actually about you know....fighting. And the fans.
Read above. I'm implying a conspiracy of sorts, Chael knowing about the injury beforehand and having almost a full Bones specific training camp. Hence the sudden twitter callouts.
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