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Old 08-24-2012, 01:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The real reason why Jones denied the offer to fight Chael was not because how how dangerous an opponent Chael was (Or this case, wasn't), but because they wanted to deny Chael from skipping everybody he would've had to fight, and going straight to the title shot despite coming off a title shot loss. Greg Jackson loosely outlines this in the video.
Which is why Jon Jones and his camp went on to accept the fight with Vitor Belfort, number two ranked LHW in the world.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Which is why Jon Jones and his camp went on to accept the fight with Vitor Belfort, number two ranked LHW in the world.
You mean to tell me Jon Jones fighting Chael Sonnen, who's coming off of getting his ass kicked, makes more sense than Jones fighting Vitor, who's coming off of two impressive victories? Honestly, I'm more interested in this fight than Machida. At least this isn't some unnecessary re-match.(not implying that the Jon/Lyoto II fight is, but I digress)

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That is pure selfishness, plain and simple. They are willing to sacrifice countless other fighters in their desire to prove who deserves a shot & who does not. There is no other way to look at.
It's not Greg Jackson and Jon Jones job to keep the card alive, it's the UFC. They had to do whats best for Jon Jones and his career. It may sound selfish, but frankly there's nothing with that imo. If the card suffered, it's because the UFC made it too vulnerable in case of an emergency, not because Jon Jones declined the fight.
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It is one and done in the playoffs for soccer & football. That is pretty much the equivalent of a championship fight.
But by that time the peoples whose job it is to research that team has enough info through out the season. They have an idea of who they will face. In MMA you dont study your opponent and another 2 just in case. And especially not someone that NO ONE would have thought would even be asked to compete.




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So Jones is willing to sacrifice other fighters ability to make a paycheck? Sounds extremely selfish to me. I guess Jones is the "decider" when it comes to who deserves to make money and who doesn't.
Apparently they are still gonna be paid and Dana didn't say hey Jon fight or NO CARD OR CHECK FOR ANYONE. So Jon is not selfish from that stand point.
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:34 PM   #24 (permalink)
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off topic but seriously guys.. that NBA schedule is insane.
The NBA? Try the NHL. They have a similar schedule, the major difference being they are in a full contact sport, where fighting is allowed.

Hockey players are probably some of, if not the toughest guys in the world if you factor the number of games they play in a season (82 regular season games, if you factor in playoff's and pre season, it is over 100) and its a full contact sport.

By full contact, I mean fighting is allowed (although the team is penalized once punches are thrown). These are some of the toughest guys on the planet.

That being said its Jones' choice. Dana shouldn't have put the full blame on Jones' shoulders. He is equally, if not more to blame for making such a top heavy card. Jones will however be public enemy #1 though, and here is to hoping he really isn't a 'mental midget'. That kind of pressure to a guy who hates to be boo'ed will be tough.
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You mean to tell me Jon Jones fighting Chael Sonnen, who's coming off of getting his ass kicked, makes more sense than Jones fighting Vitor, who's coming off of two impressive victories? Honestly, I'm more interested in this fight than Machida. At least this isn't some unnecessary re-match.(not implying that the Jon/Lyoto II fight is, but I digress)
Chael didn't 'get his ass kicked,' but cool story, bro.

Jones fighting Vitor makes zero sense, and we all know it. Whether it's an intriguing fight or not, there's no logic behind it. People were complaining about Sonnen being a MW and having zero wins at LHW, yet leapfrogging an entire division en route to a title shot. Now, Vitor enters in the exact same scenario and it's an interesting fight. Hypocrisy, and brazen hypocrisy at that.

If people were willing to admit that they just don't want to see Sonnen get the title shot, I'd take no issue. At least then they wouldn't look like such flip-flopping nitwits.
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You mean to tell me Jon Jones fighting Chael Sonnen, who's coming off of getting his ass kicked, makes more sense than Jones fighting Vitor, who's coming off of two impressive victories? Honestly, I'm more interested in this fight than Machida. At least this isn't some unnecessary re-match.(not implying that the Jon/Lyoto II fight is, but I digress)
Yes.

Considering Sonnen is actually in the 205 division.

Considering Sonnen's only losses in the past few years are to the best fighter in the world. Where he gave the best fighter in the world his toughest fight.

Considering Belfort was straight KO'd in the first by the guy Sonnen gave good fights.

Yea. Belfort's awesome win streak vs. a guy who isn't even in the UFC. And a now WW who should have been cut a while ago and has done nothing in the UFC worth a damn.


Yea, I'd say Sonnen easily deserves the fight more. Throw on top of it he would sell the fight much much more than Belfort and it isn't even a question.

Belfort coming off 2 impressive victories. Get out of here with that nonsense.
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Yes.

Considering Sonnen is actually in the 205 division.

Considering Sonnen's only losses in the past few years are to the best fighter in the world. Where he gave the best fighter in the world his toughest fight.

Considering Belfort was straight KO'd in the first by the guy Sonnen gave good fights.

Yea. Belfort's awesome win streak vs. a guy who isn't even in the UFC. And a now WW who should have been cut a while ago and has done nothing in the UFC worth a damn.


Yea, I'd say Sonnen easily deserves the fight more. Throw on top of it he would sell the fight much much more than Belfort and it isn't even a question.

Belfort coming off 2 impressive victories. Get out of here with that nonsense.

I dont care who you are how good of a loss you had or how many victories you have had in the past. NO ONE COMES OFF A LOSS AND INTO A TITLE SHOT (this isnt Strikeforce). Especially coming off a loss in a lower division and never haven even fought at that weight in this organization. Lets be real here that doesnt make any sense.
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I dont care who you are how good of a loss you had or how many victories you have had in the past. NO ONE COMES OFF A LOSS AND INTO A TITLE SHOT (this isnt Strikeforce). Especially coming off a loss in a lower division and never haven even fought at that weight in this organization. Lets be real here that doesnt make any sense.
Sonnen has fought at 205 in the UFC but it was a looong time ago.

I'm not sure how I feel about Vitor getting the title shot but I can at least understand why they gave it to him with him coming off a two fight win streak. It's not the fight I'd make but I really don't know what's going on, Lyoto doesn't want to fight him with a short training camp for the second time which is understandable, Shogun has a medical suspension, he just fought and dominated Rashad and Hendo obviously can't fight him.

I guess the question is, why the hell didn't they call Gustafsson.
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Chael didn't 'get his ass kicked,' but cool story, bro.
I'm not sure if you remember, so I'll just leave this here.



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Jones fighting Vitor makes zero sense, and we all know it. Whether it's an intriguing fight or not, there's no logic behind it.
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than Jon Jones vs Chael Sonnen.

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People were complaining about Sonnen being a MW and having zero wins at LHW, yet leapfrogging an entire division en route to a title shot. Now, Vitor enters in the exact same scenario and it's an interesting fight. Hypocrisy, and brazen hypocrisy at that.
He may be in the same position as Chael Sonnen as far as not competing in the LHW division for a while, but hell at least he has wins in the UFC LHW division. At least he is a former UFC light heavyweight champion, just like JBJ's last 4 opponents. Unlike Chael, who has yet to win a single fight in the UFC LHW division.

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If people were willing to admit that they just don't want to see Sonnen get the title shot, I'd take no issue. At least then they wouldn't look like such flip-flopping nitwits.
From an MMA fan standpoint, I would've liked to have seen the fight. However, I would've anticipated it much more if Sonnen had gotten a few wins in the LHW division first and actually proved his way to a title shot, rather than getting a title shot via talking trash on twitter. That is why I have no problem with Jon Jones declining the fight.

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Yes.

Considering Sonnen is actually in the 205 division.
So was Vitor when he fought Anthony Johnson (if you want to go there)

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Considering Sonnen's only losses in the past few years are to the best fighter in the world. Where he gave the best fighter in the world his toughest fight.
I won't argue with you there. He has a pretty good resume when you look at it from a level of competition standpoint. But that doesn't change that fact that his last fight was a loss, and getting a title shot right after one unsuccessful attempt makes no sense.

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Considering Belfort was straight KO'd in the first by the guy Sonnen gave good fights.


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Yea. Belfort's awesome win streak vs. a guy who isn't even in the UFC. And a now WW who should have been cut a while ago and has done nothing in the UFC worth a damn.
Yes. Sonnens also on an awesome winning streak vs...oh shit wait a minute, he just lost.

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Yea, I'd say Sonnen easily deserves the fight more. Throw on top of it he would sell the fight much much more than Belfort and it isn't even a question.
Sonnen sells fights with his mouth, Vitor sells fights with his hands. No matter how much shit Sonnen talks, I'll be just as pumped to see JBJ fight Vitor, someone who actually has the ability to get crazy knock outs and finish people in the first round, than Sonnen, someone who talks a good game but will most likely GnP people to 3 rd decisions

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Belfort coming off 2 impressive victories. Get out of here with that nonsense.


Like this is any better...


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