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Curious1 08-24-2012 06:43 PM

JDS GOAT? How do you see Cain doing ? Cormier? Overeem?
 
I mean JDS has had an impressive run, he took a long tough road to the title and breezed through the opposition.

What does he have to do to be considered GOAT? Is the HW division stacked enough? Will he have to reign for a decade like Fedor did? Could he never be considered GOAT because he would never have beat a prime Cro Cop?

Cains in trouble if he cant take him down or keep him down which nobody not even carwin has been able to do recently!

Alister Overeem seems a bad match up for JDS on paper but he does have a suspect chin and has lost alot of size/muscle as of late.

Dan Cormier has the best wrestling imo and its enough to take JDS down imo, how is his GnP gonna be VS JDS Jujitsu? He wont be able to out strike JDS although he has a punchers chance (if his glass hands dont break again)

Lastly the Elephant in the room is MARK HUNT! LITERALLY! He has a hard head on par with Nelsons, Heavy heavy hands on par with Carwins and far superior striking skill on par with Overeems, is naturally hard to take down and has improved TDD as of late. He has the best bet imo, so long as he is motivated, but will the UFC allow it to happen? Is Mark not ever gonna get past decent wrestlers to be able to get a title shot?

Budhisten 08-24-2012 06:47 PM

There's quite a few interesting challengers at HW right now. Reem, Cain, Cormier and so on are all fights we could see in the near future.

Dominating those guys alone though won't make him GOAT (Which is a very subjective thing anyway) - That distinction will belong to AS as long as he is active and winning at the highest level of the sport :)

Curious1 08-24-2012 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Budhisten (Post 1620101)
There's quite a few interesting challengers at HW right now. Reem, Cain, Cormier and so on are all fights we could see in the near future.

Dominating those guys alone though won't make him GOAT (Which is a very subjective thing anyway) - That distinction will belong to AS as long as he is active and winning at the highest level of the sport :)

Anderson is P4P the GOAT but he cant hang with the heavies so he can never be considered GOAT.

Life B Ez 08-24-2012 06:51 PM

To be goat you have to do amazing things come through huge obstacles and be well rounded. Fedor was fighting larger men and won in all ways possible. Anderson has done spectacular things as well. It's hard as a HW to do those kinda of things. To be goat you have to have moments, thus far JDS doesn't have enough.

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El Bresko 08-24-2012 06:54 PM

As Budhi says, if he beats Cain again, Overeem and Cormier then he is easily the HW Goat.

He already has more big names on his record than Fedor.

Budhisten 08-24-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious1 (Post 1620102)
Anderson is P4P the GOAT but he cant hang with the heavies so he can never be considered GOAT.

Isn't P4P implied when you say GOAT? Always was always will be ;)

Anyways, I'd say Anderson's legacy is above Fedor's any day... Weight shouldn't have anything to do with it.

Curious1 08-24-2012 06:58 PM

Theres greatest in terms of skill (Anderson silva/GSP/Fedor etc)

And theres greatest in terms of literally being able to beat anyone else which nearly always comes down to the elite heavyweights (Nog/Fedor/JDS etc)

Its usually GOAT and P4P GOAT as two separate titles. e.g. Roy Jones Jr/Sugar Ray Robinson P4P and Ali etc GOAT

LL 08-24-2012 06:58 PM

Well he already knocked out Cain 64 seconds, so I don't see a rematch being a problem.

He'll KO Overeem and Cormier too.

Budhisten 08-24-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious1 (Post 1620112)
Theres greatest in terms of skill (Anderson silva/GSP/Fedor etc)

And theres greatest in terms of literally being able to beat anyone else which nearly always comes down to the elite heavyweights (Nog/Fedor/JDS etc)

Its usually GOAT and P4P GOAT as two separate titles.

Why would anyone ever have a GOAT discussion that wasn't P4P? Just wondering where that's the norm, I've never heard it around here :)

Curious1 08-24-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Budhisten (Post 1620117)
Why would anyone ever have a GOAT discussion that wasn't P4P? Just wondering where that's the norm, I've never heard it around here :)

Well P4P is a bit meaningless in the real world, because true/real dominance and the highest rank belongs to the best heavyweight, simply because they can beat any lighter weight P4P champ like you could beat up a little child. (Slight exaggeration and not always true but mostly true)


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