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post #21 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Banner View Post
When taking one for the team, it doesn't work if you announce that you're taking one for the team. You have to just say, "This was my decision and my fault." No more qualifications.
It was neither and with all the additional information we have now, to be able to be angry with Jones you really have to just WANT to be angry with him.

Those ppl wont change their opinion because they feed their self-esteem out of being a hater.

I didn't think any topic would get more saturated and stale that Ronda Rousey (who i like) but here we are and it very well could cost Dana more drama because of the way he handled it, who knows.
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I agree. It's really the UFC's fault for not having a solid co-main event that could have been bumped up to main event.

Dana threw Jones under the bus and Jones should have defended himself properly by doing a video interview with Ariel or Karyn. He should've explained WHY he felt uneasy about taking a short notice fight with Sonnen. If he was afraid of Sonnen's wrestling, takedowns, or fighting a south paw, he should have said it. Most of us (rational fans) would understand.

As of today, he has not explained why he turned down the fight. Until then, most fans will think that he didn't have a good reason to turn down the fight.
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post #23 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 02:03 PM
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Okay. I have to say something. I keep hearing how it's the UFC's fault for not having a good co-main event that they could bump up. They did originally. It was Ellenberger vs Koscheck. That they could have bumped up. It was a good and marketable fight.

Then Koscheck got injured and they had to scramble for a replacement. Jay Hieron was who they got. Good fight still but not nearly as marketable. That's when the full weight of the card settled on Jones vs Hendo (though I was also really looking forward to Siver/Yagin). So when Hendo had to pull out for the first time in his career due to injury It was all on Jones and everybody knew it going in.

What does he do? Turns down a fight against a fighter from a lower weight class who didn't have a training camp when no one else would take the fight at short notice. This leaves the UFC with no marketable fight on the card and wastes who knows how much money in marketing. The UFC facing even greater losses for putting on the card anyway had to make a business decision. They decided to cut their losses. It was - in my opinion - the right decision to make.

Now to Jon Jones. I never hated Jones. His personality never really interested me one way or the other. His fights entertain me. Usually. The Bader and Rashad fights were pretty boring. However his actions here absolutely destroyed any respect I had for the man. It all comes down to one simple thing.

A champion does not turn down a challenger. When you get that belt it is a declaration that you are ready and willing to take on all comers. To step in to that cage and prove that you are the best every god damned time. Being a champion does not give you leeway - it removes that option.

Did Edgar say no to a rematch against Penn? No. Did GSP say that Hardy wasn't worth his time? No. Did Silva turn down Cote because he hadn't earned it? No. Did Chuck or Randy ever turn down a fight? No.

Simple truth is a champion isn't a champion unless he is willing to fight. Jones had a full camp and was in fighting shape when he was offered a fight. There is no good reason to have turned it down.

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post #24 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 02:23 PM
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I'm not trying to be a guy who criticizes him for anything.

My my opinion on his attitude have always been that he and his trainers try to play the politically correct, calm, wise martial artist. They are so worried about his image that it has made him look phoney.

Here he is now apologizing a few days later because he has was probably told by his handlers to do so. Like how they reminded him to go check on Machida. When people try so hard to be viewed in a certain light, their peers start to catch on to how non-genuine it all is.

In other words people should just be themselves. Not claim to never get caught drinking 3am at clubs, only to be driving your expensive car up a pole a few weeks later.

Why just the other day did he say he stuck by his choice to not accept a Sonnen fight? Only to now say you were disappointed in how it was handled? I would respect him more if he would just take a damn stand and not feel the need to give a crap apology. He's a robot and just wants everyone to like him.
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post #25 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 03:25 PM
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thats not how you take one for the team.....

but lol this is getting sad, why apologize for dana's decision?

151 sucked outside the main event, good riddance to that card. may it rest in peace.

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Kudos to Jones for taking the blame; that shows he's more of a team player.
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I'm an atheist, but the 'carrying the cross' thing made my blood freaking boil. I have a lot of respect for Jesus, I just don't believe he was the son of God. He was still probably one of the most amazing person who ever lived simply based on his philosophy and all the people he helped. Right up there with Ghandi, etc.

If you're a true Christian, this comment alone should seal the deal for Jones.

He`s unsupportable.

Some religions, if you compared yourself to their deity in this manner, you`d literally be putting your life at risk.

It`s just insane to me that someone would make that comment, it`s not just arrogant to an almost surreal level, but it`s so freaking insulting to about a billion people who actually practice that religion and don`t just pay lip service to it like Jones.

It's like he doesn't realize that blasphemy is a sin...

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post #28 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 05:51 PM
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well, didn't Jesus carried the cross as the weight of the sins of others?
this doesn't really sound like an apology to me. Jones will take years to come back from this, if he ever does, but as far as he shows, he's not heading in the right direction.

Obviously, I don't believe he chose those words, I believe they betray the way he thinks of himself on a more unconscious level.

Which is pretty normal when you're 25, sitting on top of the world, which is when your friends and close ones should come up and set you straight. And I don't believe anyone around him truly cares about Jones the man, but rather they do care a lot about Jones the cash cow. And I said Jackson MMA, but probably the UFC as well.
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post #29 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by slapshot View Post
It was neither and with all the additional information we have now, to be able to be angry with Jones you really have to just WANT to be angry with him.

Those ppl wont change their opinion because they feed their self-esteem out of being a hater.

I didn't think any topic would get more saturated and stale that Ronda Rousey (who i like) but here we are and it very well could cost Dana more drama because of the way he handled it, who knows.
What 'additional facts' might those be? Jones is the first UFC champion to say no to a challenge. Tell me what new facts change that reality.
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post #30 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 06:14 PM
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The fact that it was Chael Sonnen probably had something to do with Jones denying the fight.
A person so proud as Jones wouldn't in a million years give such a great opportunity to someone as low-life as Chael Sonnen.
My guess is that he would accept any other fight other than Sonnen.

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