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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 08-26-2012, 02:58 AM Thread Starter
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FACTS on Jon Jones situation

I have been following this site for a while and mostly read comments. Once in a while I will add my two cents. Overall, I have enjoyed reading comments that are intelligent, respectful and informed. These conversations are about evidence, logic and facts.

With that being said, I am highly disappointed in what I have been reading this week. Lots of folks are placing way too much blame on JBJ for the cancellation of the event. They are speaking out of emotions and sometimes out of pure ignorance and hate. I am starting to wonder if these are the moments when closet racists and haters come out to spout their venom. I hope not but am starting to question that. Some of you are acting like he stole your lunch money.

With that being said, let us look at the FACTS. It is easy for you to sit behind your computer and criticize and bash JBJ. Fact number 1) MMA is a combative sport and these fighters need to look out for their safety. Chael is in the UFC and has fought some top competition. With such a short-time window for JBJ to prepare and study his game, he has every RIGHT to not accept the fight. This is simply a fact. Whether you like it or not is not the issue. Fact #2) The UFC and Dana white are trying to scapegoat JBJ and take NO responsibility for this mess up. They are the owners and promoters and need to be held responsible. If you do not feel they fully need to be, they need to be held on some level based on the FACTS. Fact number 3) JBJ had little to gain and much to lose from taking the Chael fight. He did not see it to be in his best interests and do you blame him? He is fighting to make a living and worked his butt off to become champ. He has the right to make decisions that he fits well with his interests. This is not slavery and he has rights as an employee of the UFC. Whether you like it or not does not matter because the FACT is that he has this right. Fact 4) JBJ is not solely responsible for the other fighters not being able to fight. This is just ridiculous. The UFC has to take some responsibility for this mess up and realize not to put all your eggs in one basket.

I can go on with many more FACTS but it amazes me how so many people on this forum seem to ignore these FACTS and just pout and complain. JBJ puts his safety on the line for your entertainment and this is how people act? This is really turning me off this sport. I thought fans were more mature and understanding that these fighters take serious risk and need to look out for a ) themselves B) their families and c) the fans and promotion. But for some reason, some of you are ignoring these FACTS and just complaining nonstop. Please grow up. Thanks

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Do you know what a fact is?


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I have been following this site for a while and mostly read comments. Once in a while I will add my two cents. Overall, I have enjoyed reading comments that are intelligent, respectful and informed. These conversations are about evidence, logic and facts.

With that being said, I am highly disappointed in what I have been reading this week. Lots of folks are placing way too much blame on JBJ for the cancellation of the event. They are speaking out of emotions and sometimes out of pure ignorance and hate. I am starting to wonder if these are the moments when closet racists and haters come out to spout their venom. I hope not but am starting to question that. Some of you are acting like he stole your lunch money.

With that being said, let us look at the FACTS. It is easy for you to sit behind your computer and criticize and bash JBJ. Fact number 1) MMA is a combative sport and these fighters need to look out for their safety. Chael is in the UFC and has fought some top competition. With such a short-time window for JBJ to prepare and study his game, he has every RIGHT to not accept the fight. This is simply a fact. Whether you like it or not is not the issue. Fact #2) The UFC and Dana white are trying to scapegoat JBJ and take NO responsibility for this mess up. They are the owners and promoters and need to be held responsible. If you do not feel they fully need to be, they need to be held on some level based on the FACTS. Fact number 3) JBJ had little to gain and much to lose from taking the Chael fight. He did not see it to be in his best interests and do you blame him? He is fighting to make a living and worked his butt off to become champ. He has the right to make decisions that he fits well with his interests. This is not slavery and he has rights as an employee of the UFC. Whether you like it or not does not matter because the FACT is that he has this right. Fact 4) JBJ is not solely responsible for the other fighters not being able to fight. This is just ridiculous. The UFC has to take some responsibility for this mess up and realize not to put all your eggs in one basket.

I can go on with many more FACTS but it amazes me how so many people on this forum seem to ignore these FACTS and just pout and complain. JBJ puts his safety on the line for your entertainment and this is how people act? This is really turning me off this sport. I thought fans were more mature and understanding that these fighters take serious risk and need to look out for a ) themselves B) their families and c) the fans and promotion. But for some reason, some of you are ignoring these FACTS and just complaining nonstop. Please grow up. Thanks
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Yes, a fact is something that REALLY occurred.. As OldFan pointed out. So please tell me what in my thread is up for dispute? My argument is that it is his RIGHT under contract to not accept the fight and that it is factually erroneous to think otherwise. Also, it is unfair and erroneous to place full responsibility on his shoulders. There are more decision makers in this process and they played a role in this as well. This is based on common sense and FACTS.
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Hahahaha

Yes

The Fact is


Every person who is against Jones in this situation is a closet racist.


Good ferking job focusing on the facts and getting to the bottom of this based on the FACTS and not your opinions.


And why does every person who thinks people are putting too much blame on Jon Jones feel the need to create a separate thread.


I vote the mods make a "Why i think too much blame.. Jones" thread and all these thread-posts get moved in there.

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@Sideways....

Not to sound rude or ignorant but there are courses on reading comprehension and analysis. It helps when it comes to trying to understand the meaning of text and language. When did I write that "every person who is against Jones in this situation is a closet racist"? Please do not take my words out of context. I stated that these are the times when closet racist AND haters come out. They are not the only reason for people’s reactions and responses. Sometimes people look for scapegoats and people to blame. Kind of like what Dana White did with Bones 
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I'm not sure what a fact is but I suspect it has something to do with using allcaps.
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lol.. Witty.
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@Sideways....

Not to sound rude or ignorant but there are courses on reading comprehension and analysis. It helps when it comes to trying to understand the meaning of text and language. When did I write that "every person who is against Jones in this situation is a closet racist"? Please do not take my words out of context. I stated that these are the times when closet racist AND haters come out. They are not the only reason for people’s reactions and responses. Sometimes people look for scapegoats and people to blame. Kind of like what Dana White did with Bones 
Ok sorry. Il check some of those courses out.

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I'm not sure what a fact is but I suspect it has something to do with using allcaps.
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