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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion View Post
Bonnar, Shogun and Rampage have iron chins. Rampage and Shogun also have a ton of power in their hands, Jones is pretty creative though and we saw he's not afraid to use his elbows as punches in the Rashad fight when he sent Rashad stumbling, that's an interesting tool to use on guys coming in on you.
Yeah, you are right, but we also saw how they reacted to getting hit. Guys like Hendo & Cote both take shots and keep walking forward, it doesn't faze them. So I guess I need to add you need an Iron Chin and the ability to eat a punch and keep going through it.

The thing that makes Jones great though, is his work ethic, people may not like him as a person but this guy is a true student of the game and he's been blessed with some great skills for MMA. I think Machida, Gus, and Cormier might have a chance of beating him but I really think Jones could develop an awesome ground game off his back with his long limbs and what not.
This is very accurate, in fact we have never seen him in a position when he hasn't wanted to be there. For all we know he has the most insane defensive attacking guard we have ever seen. His growth within the UFC from Bonnar to Shogun in terms of striking is staggering.
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post #12 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 01:18 PM
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This isn't boxing. Being in the pocket against Jones is opening you up to elbow death. Plus, who on earth thinks it would be a good idea to get in close and get clinched? Bones and his ridiculous legs can trip anybody from the clinch.

Traditionally when a shorter fighter has to fight a much longer dude, the smaller guy nearly always has speed on their side. Bones is not slow by any stretch. Gus is a tad faster but simply not long enough. His reach is as absurdly short for his size ans Bones is long.

In a nutshell, with my limited knowledge, I believe the only person who can beat Jones right now is Jones.
Exactly this. Someone w/Jones' insane advantage reach is the only person who could beat Jones. He wins all his matches through this massive advantage and if you take that away or neutralise it then you have a much better shot. Even then of course you'd have to beat Jones who is an insanely skilful fighter anyway.
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post #13 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 02:31 PM
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Start with kidnapping Greg Jackson and keeping him out of the picture until after the fight.
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post #14 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 02:56 PM
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This is MMA. Put Jones in a kickboxing match where grappling is non-existent, there are several guys he's beat in MMA so far I'd bet would murk him.

Jones is neither a counter striker or aggressive inside striker, he pot shots from the distance his body allows him to then runs from attacks.

Jones' reputation is built on his devastating ground game and great MMA grapplers like Rua, Machida and Evans simply do not want to go to ground with him. Side effects of that are they think they can only win the fight standing, and it makes them hesitant on the feet. Bad combination.

Basically, Jones is a crap striker, great MMA fighter. Would love to see him fight Gustaf, he can cover ground like Jones does and is a very good striker, Jones could get hurt quickly if he tries to stand for long like he has been.

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Dirty box him and uppercut him from the clinch. Rampage had many chances to do just that when he got in close and ended up clinching with Jones, all he had to do was pull an arm back and blast away with punches from the clinch or the break from the clinch. But he never did that and just pushed away & reset. If a fighter has good defensive wrestling and a solid chin, he can get in close on Jones, tie him up in a clinch to take away the elbows, then unload with short uppercuts from in tight. Rock him back, then blitz him while he's off balance and trying to reset.
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post #16 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 10:24 PM
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They can't, and that is why he has demolished fighters like Shogun with ease.
this is dumb. everyone knows that shogun has no striking defense. he has good offense and eats a lot of shots in order to deliver his "usually" very explosive offense. he has probably the best chin in MMA and has relied on that to overcome his opponents offense with his own. even recently against vera he ate a lot of punches and walked right through them to eventually TKO vera..
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post #17 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 11:03 PM
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Jones reach and timing give him one of the best natural defence before his other skills come into play. He fights smart and uses his guard and teep leg kicks well which he also relies on for defence. That combination is difficult to any striker.
Gustaffson has a good chance with his offensive footwork and distance closing but is exposed to Jones timing.

This is why I have stated Mousasi many times for fighting Jones. Im not saying in any way Mousasi would beat Jones but he would definetly answer all the questions and even tag Jones from the outside.

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What everyone else said. To get inside and land anything significant you're going to have to compromise; against a fighter with a gifted build and skills with a very high fight IQ. Pretty much it takes a brilliant combination striker with power, with ridiculous wrestling and a crazy chin. Aka nothing we've ever seen which sucks because I'm not a Jones fan but most people can agree he hasn't shown many holes if any, less the hope of a less than average chin which is still speculation. That being said I'm gutted at the Henderson fight being scrapped at the time it was going to take place. Even the haters can acknowledge Jones continues to get better..
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post #19 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 11:21 PM
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I think you needs someone with Carl Condit's gameplan vs Nick Diaz. Sure, not the greatest but if you can get within reach quickly and dodge to the left or right and not back, you will make it frustrating for Jones.

Another way to look at it is someone that is able to go comfortably to the ground with Jones and fight for positions to kind of neutralize him but with his reach, he could still hit or push off his opponent.

As someone mentioned about Rogan's comments about leg kicks, it could be something to look at but you needs the quickness of Jose Aldo to pull that off.

I think someone will go for Jones' knee or legs to make him uncomfortable but I believe he is comfortable in either standing positions.

I think if Belfort were to go 'Hendo' and pushes Jones off his comfortable zone from striking from outside and picking shots to making him unbalance would be the keys to figuring out to frustrate him.

If any fighters is able to frustrate Jones from picking his shot and using his reach will probably have greater success in having much easier tasks in achieving a better results. Then it down to clinch, grappling and ground game.

From there, the better fighter will survive.
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post #20 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 11:31 PM
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They can't, and that is why he has demolished fighters like Shogun with ease.
disagree, the reason Shogun got annihilated so badly was because he trained for a short looping puncher in evans and got a tall and lanky straight puncher in jones. It was the polar opposite of what he trained for, sure he'd probably have lost but the way he lost completely had to do with him being unprepared.
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