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Old 08-29-2012, 09:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have no problem with your opinion. My problem is with the people who are putting all blame for everything on Jon Jones and acting like he is the devil now for making the worst decision of all time. My problem is with the scapegoating, hyperbole, and overreactions.
Some may have been swayed by the media, Dana, and fighter comments alike, others' already formed their own opinions pre UFC 151 (pro and con) and the rest are ambivalent. It's evident what side you're on. Take a look from a executive perspective. I don't mean writing a one sentence counter rebuttal. I mean thinking it out diligently from A to Z and how that single decision affected every facet surrounding the organization, fighter/staff/employee pay, MMA scene, and hospitality industry in Las Vegas especially in this bear of a marketplace.

Now, put yourself out of the equation and look through the lens of a casual fan.

If you still feel the decision is absolutely, unequivocally correct and justified then that is your opinion. One that is supported by a minority few. In the end it's never fair, life sometimes isn't fair, but there are choices. Choices that are self oriented or ones that are altruistic. As Limba said it's free will right.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:29 AM   #22 (permalink)
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What a moron.

Pat Miltech didnt even mention most of the key points.

Hell saying "There is nothing to gain" is ******* retarded in itself.

Getting a win Over Chael Sonnen and making millions of dollars and not letting your company and fans down. Is nothing to gain??? Oh and not behaving like a bitch.

Miltech has really made himself look stupid here. Anyone that has looked at the bigger picture and weighed the pos/cons would know that.
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Old 08-30-2012, 03:23 AM   #23 (permalink)
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The problem with Miletich's reasoning is that he bases his excuse for Jones not fighting on whether taking the fight would forward Jones' career. That is however the core of the problem not the excuse. The fact that Jones' is taking the "businessman" route as opposed to the "fighter" route. I think that's why so many people are pissed at him.

I personally don't like his decision not to fight as I would have also enjoyed watching him beat sonnen.
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:09 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Sonnen had everything to gain, nothing to lose. Bones had everything to lose, nothing to gain. Apples and oranges.
You see, you accuse people of having sheep like opinions and then say this, which is also bandwagon jumping if ive ever seen it.

Nothing to lose? Really? Sonnen had *everything* to lose. He would have had a single crack at the LHW belt and he was willing to take it with next to no training. Should he have lost that would have essentially retired him. He would have no fight left. Sonnen has said time and time again hes only interested in Belts. He's 35 years old for gods sake.

Also, how can going in the cage against Bones unprepared be considered as nothing to lose, considering how hes brutalized everybody hes been in there with so far.

No. Im not buying it. Sonnen was taking massive risks with his career taking the fight. I reluctantly concede he deserves some props.

As for Jon having nothing to gain? I think Sideways put it perfectly.
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bingo what Soojooko said regarding Sonnen.

What would Jones have lost? his belt? he is a young man, he'll have tons of title fights. And seeing how he switched opponents the last minute, I'm pretty sure Dana would offer him a rematch (should he have lost) as a "thank you" for saving the event.
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Seriously...

Chael Sonnen is unlikely to ever get a title shot at MW again. If he lost to Jon Jones he would be unlikely to ever get a shot at LHW again. And there is a GOOD chance that Jon Jones would have brutalized him having everyone thinking there is no reason to have a Jones/Sonnen 2. He would pretty much have to quit MMA and move on.

on 8 days notice without any training???

And since Sonnen would not be in a "Get 1 or 2 wins for a rematch" scenario. Unless he managed to pull a Anderson/Chael 1 (Which is highly unlikely).

It would be a really big risk for Sonnen.


What would Sonnens chances to win have been anyway??? 5% maybe 10%??? Those are not odds you want to bet your career on. Not being able to beat Jones by Tko,Ko,Sub doesnt leave very many options. While Jones can easiley beat Sonnen in every single way including a decision.


I see Jones being the one that was given a low risk fight while getting another great win on your resume and making millions.
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What a moron.

Pat Miltech didnt even mention most of the key points.

Hell saying "There is nothing to gain" is ******* retarded in itself.

Getting a win Over Chael Sonnen and making millions of dollars and not letting your company and fans down. Is nothing to gain??? Oh and not behaving like a bitch.

Miltech has really made himself look stupid here. Anyone that has looked at the bigger picture and weighed the pos/cons would know that.
Pat did look at the bigger picture here, from an individual point. And he did point out some good arguments.
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Pat did look at the bigger picture here, from an individual point. And he did point out some good arguments.
"It doesn’t do the UFC any good to chop the legs out from possibly their biggest star, because he doesn’t take a last minute replacement fight."

No I'm sure it doesn't, but not taking the fight does no good for Bones either. It would be different if he was 37 and only had 2-3 more fights in him, then I would understand that he was so concerned with losing his title. But come on, the dude has just begun his career. Taking this fight would have possibly only done him good.
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Pat Miletich can make all the sense he wants, I'll still hold it against Jones that he pulled out of a title defense for reasons other than an injury.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:48 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Pat did look at the bigger picture here, from an individual point. And he did point out some good arguments.
I didnt think he pointed out ANY decent arguments since each of those arguments had also a down side.

For instance yeah the UFC has had alot of cards but in a recent poll people have voted they like more fight cards rather then 12 fight cards a year or something. And even if the cards have been top heavy that doesnt change what Jones did in the least. That card could have been spectacular and what Jones did would still be pathetic.

But you know that doesnt even matter. If i completely ignore who to blame for the card being cancelled my opinion on the situation is still exactly the same.

He mentions that Sonnen isnt 5 foot 11 and is a lefty. But doesnt mention that Jones has been training for 3 months and Chael hasnt. Doesnt mention that Chael was also taking this fight on 8 days notice just like Jones. He mentions that Sonnen might move a bit better then Dan but Doesnt mention that Chael is stylistically an easier fight for Jones. He has no problem saying that Hendo is a bit older now but doesnt mention that Chael hasnt looked that great in his last 2 fights while Henderson has been on a tear. He acts like Dans only weapon to worry about is his right hand but doesnt point out that the only weapon chael has is his wrestling which is only used for grinding out a 5 round decision which he doesnt even have cardio for. So which is more likely that Hendo finishes the fight with his right hand or that Chael manages to grind out a decision he does not have cardio for?. He mentions that Chael is bigger then Hendo but doesnt mention that Jones is bigger then everybody at LHW. He mentions how Sonnen hasnt earned the title shot but doesnt in the same way explain why Chael was given the title shot and why it was important for him to have it.

We already pointed out how full of shit the "Nothing to gain" comment was.

I mean i could just keep going about how he tried to twist everything or leave out the opposite edge.

So no he does not bring up any good points about why Jones should have backed out. Everything he mentioned as to why Jones should have backed out, there is a better reason why he should have stayed.
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Jones pussed out for a p**** reason and that is all there is to it.
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