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Old 08-30-2012, 07:13 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I understand why Jones did it. There was a possibility of him losing and he wanted to avoid that.

If Brock Lesnar breaks into my house, I'm going to fight the guy. He's probably going to kill me, but the dude broke into my fuking house. I'm going to do something.

Chael Sonnen clowned the shit out of Jones and Jones had the oppertunity to fight him, which he turned down. Remove the training camp, remove the weight jump, remove all that shit. The simple root of this is, Chael Sonnen called Jones out and made a fool ourt of him and Jones refused to fight him. If Chael disses the shit out of me when I'm shopping in Asda, I'm probably going to try and have a fight with the guy, and I'm not the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:15 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I understand why Jones did it. There was a possibility of him losing and he wanted to avoid that.

If Brock Lesnar breaks into my house, I'm going to fight the guy. He's probably going to kill me, but the dude broke into my fuking house. I'm going to do something.

Chael Sonnen clowned the shit out of Jones and Jones had the oppertunity to fight him, which he turned down. Remove the training camp, remove the weight jump, remove all that shit. The simple root of this is, Chael Sonnen called Jones out and made a fool ourt of him and Jones refused to fight him. If Chael disses the shit out of me when I'm shopping in Asda, I'm probably going to try and have a fight with the guy, and I'm not the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion.
This is MMA and he has the chance to lose every single time he steps in to the octagon. If that wasnt the case i would bet 50k on Jones each fight and safely make money. I also probably wouldnt order the PPV since i know Jones cant lose.

But the real funny thing is that given the circumstances Jon jones would have a better chance to lose against Henderson then he ever did against Chael.
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This is MMA and he has the chance to lose every single time he steps in to the octagon. If that wasnt the case i would bet 50k on Jones each fight and safely make money. I also probably wouldnt order the PPV since i know Jones cant lose.

But the real funny thing is that given the circumstances Jon jones would have a better chance to lose against Henderson then he ever did against Chael.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:18 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I think Jones had far more to gain than lose.

What he had to GAIN:

-respect from all fans. a respect that had dwindled for a while.

-new fans. he is a draw, but far from the biggest UFC draw. He should take new fans whenever he can get them if he is so concerned about PPV dollars.

-the chance to shut a guy up that he seems to dislike. he has called him a joke and a criminal (which Chael is) but if you feel so strongly why not fight him? wouldn't that be a fight you WANT?

-What seemed to be a rather easy title defense. A wrestler that was smaller than him. He just stuffed a more athletic wrestler in Rashad. Chael had little chance of holding him down for 5 rounds. It isn't like Jones needs to be ready for his finishing ability. Chael is all wrestling.

-The chance to get more credit as the P4P best. If he went out and just straight manhandled Sonnen, he would have beat him in a fashion that SIlva did not. Again, something to gain from a fight with Sonnen.

-He cried to Dana to shut Chael up. Well a beat down in a fight usually shuts most up. You don't hear Chael talking about Anderson much now.

-Money that he seems to desperately need. Sonnen would of done way more PPV numbers than Belfort. He may of done better PPV numbers than anyone else at 205 would. Who knows, but the numbers would have been rock solid.

What he had to LOSE:

- his belt.


(A belt that he could have won back rather quickly. A Sonnen/Bones rematch would do HUGE numbers. HUGE!. Jones is 25 years old, there is plenty of time to gain belts back. Losses make fighters grow. All the greats have had them.)

And besides...he may of lost. But he would have been a HUUUUGE favorite. And rightfully so.
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I’m a big fan of Jon Jones, but nevertheless will do my best to avoid adding to the copious hyperbole already written. Although I am always shocked and surprised at how emotionally involved people appear to be with MMA fighters in general and Jon Jones in particular…

For what it’s worth, here’s my thoughts -

o Jon Jones is a professional fighter, he gets paid a lot of money to beat people up, and although we all get to see him behind the scenes in various “All Access’ interviews and shows, it’s worth remembering – he is not your friend and probably wouldn’t stop to talk with you if you saw him in the street.
o Before Dan Henderson got injured, Sonnen announced he was moving up to 205 and intended to make a run at the title – I believe that Jones responded by stating that Sonnen would not be talking his way into a 205 title fight and would need to earn a shot a the title…
o When Henderson announced that he was unable to compete at UFC 151 the UFC tried to save the card. However, in my opinion the original UFC 151 card was one of the shallowest ever put on PPV and should have been euthanized immediately.
o Sure Jones has a responsibility to his employer, but he had contracted and been training for a particular opponent – he was (obviously) within his rights to refuse to fight Sonnen on such short notice.
o Does Jones’ refusal to fight Sonnen on eight days notice let down the UFC? Yes it does – but the fact that the UFC had no choice but to cancel the event when they were unable to provide a suitable opponent, is indicative of the fact that they were selling a show relying on a single fight – shame on them for placing 100% of the card’s responsibility on Jones’ shoulders
o Do I think that people have overreacted? Yes I do – but that, in my opinion, has everything to do with the fact that it’s Jones who for reasons unknown (to me) has polarized MMA fan community like no other fighter (that I can think of).

My take away –

o The UFC needs to stop putting out crappy cards – I watch most UFC events at home, and pay $55 every time – this year the only event I didn’t buy was Henderson Edgar II (I was out of town). But I was not looking forward to UFC 151 even though one of my favorite fighters was headlining, and was seriously considering giving it miss and following the round by round descriptions online
o UFC 152 is now looking like one of the best cards of the year – As far as I’m concerned:
o Jones just saved me $55,
o Jones made sure that Sonnen didn’t talk himself into a title fight he didn’t deserve and which wouldn’t have been competitive anyway,
o Jones hopefully showed the top brass at the UFC that they need to do better.

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I think Jones had far more to gain than lose.

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And besides...he may of lost. But he would have been a HUUUUGE favorite. And rightfully so.
LOL - ok I'll bite - Chael manages to lay on top of Jones for 25 minutes and wins a decision - and this is supposed to ingraciate Jones to a new audience? What are you smoking? If/when Jones loses, it will be open season on the man like never before - every hater out there (and where Jones is concerned there are a ton) would be crashing this forum with their "I told you so" comments...

Time to put this episode behind us and start looking forward to 152 which is going to be a corker!
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:34 PM   #37 (permalink)
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LOL - ok I'll bite - Chael manages to lay on top of Jones for 25 minutes and wins a decision - and this is supposed to ingraciate Jones to a new audience? What are you smoking? If/when Jones loses, it will be open season on the man like never before - every hater out there (and where Jones is concerned there are a ton) would be crashing this forum with their "I told you so" comments...

Time to put this episode behind us and start looking forward to 152 which is going to be a corker!
If Chael was to beat Bones, I assure you not one single person will be saying "I told you so". Stunned disbelief more like. I haven't seen a single post suggesting Bones is over rated or that Sonnen can beat him. I've no idea where you get this impression.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:40 PM   #38 (permalink)
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LOL - ok I'll bite - Chael manages to lay on top of Jones for 25 minutes and wins a decision - and this is supposed to ingraciate Jones to a new audience? What are you smoking? If/when Jones loses, it will be open season on the man like never before - every hater out there (and where Jones is concerned there are a ton) would be crashing this forum with their "I told you so" comments...

Time to put this episode behind us and start looking forward to 152 which is going to be a corker!
No. Because if he fought and lost on 8 days notice by lay and pray he would have an excuse. Where he would get a rematch with a full training camp and the PPV would rival Sonnen/Silva. People went crazy for a Sonnen rematch after he almost laid on him for 5 rounds.

I told you so what? No one here even Jones haters are ragging on his fighting skills. So what told you so are you talking about? Everyone would be in shock that Chael won.

He had far more respect and money to gain from the fight than he had to lose. If he is that afraid of losing to a 35 year old, 185er, 1 dimensional wrestler than I really don't know what to say.

He lost more than he ever would have just by declining the fight and acting like a bitch in the process....would you not agree?

Not sure what you are getting at..
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To piggyback what you sad though, Chael is the reason why people are pissed.
As much as everyone is saying that he should have take the fight and he could have easily beat Chael...deep down the hope from them is that THEY HOPE CHAEL WINS!!!!

There is no mention that Jon would have fought anyone else on that short of notice. Which is why he is fighting on the NEXT card. Many people are just upset that their favorite (WWE STYLE) mma fighter Chael doesnt get to put on a brilliant performance (every where else but in the cage of course).

They want to fuel the hate and continue to hate Jon and this is just another way for them to keep that up. Jon had nothing to gain but money for this fight and he didnt take it. So clearly Jon's legacy is more important to him, shouldnt that be admirable...I guess any other fighter that felt that way...then it would be.
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As much as everyone is saying that he should have take the fight and he could have easily beat Chael...deep down the hope from them is that THEY HOPE CHAEL WINS!!!!
Hold on there tiger... I'm certainly not in that camp.

I saw it as an opportunity for Bones to shut the fecker up once and for all. Within the context of all the recent trash talk, it was the perfect scenario... and Jones blew it off. Why, why, why?! You dont often hear me making confident predictions as to how a fight my go, but Jon Jones would have totally de-constructed Chael Sonnen. Even the Sonnites are surprised with Jones turning down an easy fight. Not a single one of them have predicted Sonnen *might* beat Jones. That says it all.
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