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Old 08-30-2012, 01:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Hold on there tiger... I'm certainly not in that camp.

I saw it as an opportunity for Bones to shut the fecker up once and for all. Within the context of all the recent trash talk, it was the perfect scenario... and Jones blew it off. Why, why, why?! You dont often hear me making confident predictions as to how a fight my go, but Jon Jones would have totally de-constructed Chael Sonnen. Even the Sonnites are surprised with Jones turning down an easy fight. Not a single one of them have predicted Sonnen *might* beat Jones. That says it all.
I know that none of them said that they think he could win. I am saying that they are hoping that it happens. They would love nothing better than to say that Chael came in on a few days notice and beat the one of the best fighters in the world. To me that is the reason why people want to see it. Lyoto was supposed to be next in line but if that ended up being the fight we got there wouldn't be half the comments we would have seen had it been Chael. Reason because for some strange reason Chael's antics have...well you see where i am going with this.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:02 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I know that none of them said that they think he could win. I am saying that they are hoping that it happens. They would love nothing better than to say that Chael came in on a few days notice and beat the one of the best fighters in the world. To me that is the reason why people want to see it. Lyoto was supposed to be next in line but if that ended up being the fight we got there wouldn't be half the comments we would have seen had it been Chael. Reason because for some strange reason Chael's antics have...well you see where i am going with this.
You might be right... but to be clear, I personally wanted to see Bones go to work on Sonnen. Granted, if Sonnen won, I would lol hard. But that's not my preference.

I would love Lyoto to knock Bones out though.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I think Jones had far more to gain than lose.

What he had to GAIN:

-respect from all fans. a respect that had dwindled for a while.

-new fans. he is a draw, but far from the biggest UFC draw. He should take new fans whenever he can get them if he is so concerned about PPV dollars.

-the chance to shut a guy up that he seems to dislike. he has called him a joke and a criminal (which Chael is) but if you feel so strongly why not fight him? wouldn't that be a fight you WANT?

-What seemed to be a rather easy title defense. A wrestler that was smaller than him. He just stuffed a more athletic wrestler in Rashad. Chael had little chance of holding him down for 5 rounds. It isn't like Jones needs to be ready for his finishing ability. Chael is all wrestling.

-The chance to get more credit as the P4P best. If he went out and just straight manhandled Sonnen, he would have beat him in a fashion that SIlva did not. Again, something to gain from a fight with Sonnen.

-He cried to Dana to shut Chael up. Well a beat down in a fight usually shuts most up. You don't hear Chael talking about Anderson much now.

-Money that he seems to desperately need. Sonnen would of done way more PPV numbers than Belfort. He may of done better PPV numbers than anyone else at 205 would. Who knows, but the numbers would have been rock solid.

What he had to LOSE:

- his belt.


(A belt that he could have won back rather quickly. A Sonnen/Bones rematch would do HUGE numbers. HUGE!. Jones is 25 years old, there is plenty of time to gain belts back. Losses make fighters grow. All the greats have had them.)

And besides...he may of lost. But he would have been a HUUUUGE favorite. And rightfully so.
Apparently, Jon Jones didn't agree with you. It was his choice to take or reject the fight, and just like parking his Bently half way up a telegraph pole, it will be him that deals with any fallout.

Personally I love the fact that Chael didn't (badly) lose to Silva and then immediately land in the ring with Jones - for me, that scenario dilutes the value of the UFC brand a lot more than the UFC cancelling their first show.

The big problem is the UFC jumped on the Jones hype wagon faster than anyone (and I don't blame them - the man is a stud) and allowed him to clean out the division - Is it then Jones' fault that the UFC doesn't have a suitable and valid LHW replacement? No of course not

But regardless of what Jones does, there are going to people out there who hate - let me help with you a few:

Jones discovers cure for cancer
Haters gonna say that Jones is number one cause of cancer

Jones reverses global warming
haters gonna fall into three camps (1) Jones caused global warming so should be hung regardless (2) Global warming is a crock and Jones is therefore a liar (3) Jones responsible for new ice age

Jones ends drought
Jones causes floods

Jones earns haters respect
.............yeah right!

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Old 08-30-2012, 02:22 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I agree with Pat on quite a few points although I really think in the end Jones could have been a company guy instead of super selfish and took the fight which was very winnable for him.
I agree.

The reasons Team Jackson and Jones had were completely valid, but at the end of the day he could have stepped up to take the fight because it was very winnable and the UFC would remember that in the future.
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:04 PM   #45 (permalink)
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If you believe that Bones deserves hatred and made an absurd and monstrous decision, then yes you are a sheep because I guarantee that if Dana White didn't react with his rant the fan "outrage" would be much more tame. Everybody is just following Dana White like a sheep by acting appalled at what was a completely understandable decision by Jon Jones. People in general have a mentality of jumping in with the crowd and scapegoating when it's convenient instead of using logic to accurately assess the situation.



Sonnen had everything to gain, nothing to lose. Bones had everything to lose, nothing to gain. Apples and oranges.
Your opinion is an opinion and has nothing to do with logic. To critizise Jones does not imply any connection to Dana, sheeps or anything else. Two very basic logical errors.

Now about Pat Miletich: "I think Jon Jones had nothing to gain in that fight. Sonnen, moving to a different weight division, having not fought there for quite a long time, and competing at 185, hasn’t earned the right in the first place. I think Jon Jones was well within his rights, and I back Jackson on the decision that he made and the advice that he gave Jones to pull out of the fight."

People have already making a lot of good points about the "nothing to gain" remark. Also it's a bit strange to think about the title holder in such terms. What does he do other than defending his belt against challengers? People who are fighting their way to a title shot may gain a lot or little in their climb on the ladder depending on who they fight. But the champ is not climbing - he's already on top.

And no he wasn't really deserving a shot under normal circumstances, even Dana thought so, but under those circumstances and everything on the line, that's not a good reason to turn it down.
A champ I would be a fan of would say something like: Ok I'll show you and all other challengers what happens when you skip the line and come unprepared to fight me and it won't be pretty!
Not: geeee I might lose, that could be unwise...
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:32 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I will tell you what its worth +rep

To piggyback what you sad though, Chael is the reason why people are pissed.
As much as everyone is saying that he should have take the fight and he could have easily beat Chael...deep down the hope from them is that THEY HOPE CHAEL WINS!!!!

There is no mention that Jon would have fought anyone else on that short of notice. Which is why he is fighting on the NEXT card. Many people are just upset that their favorite (WWE STYLE) mma fighter Chael doesnt get to put on a brilliant performance (every where else but in the cage of course).

They want to fuel the hate and continue to hate Jon and this is just another way for them to keep that up. Jon had nothing to gain but money for this fight and he didnt take it. So clearly Jon's legacy is more important to him, shouldnt that be admirable...I guess any other fighter that felt that way...then it would be.
These are good points you pointed out.

The idea that Jones would have gained them as fans if only he accepted the fight on 8 days notice is a crock of shit.
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:17 PM   #47 (permalink)
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The idea that Jones would have gained them as fans if only he accepted the fight on 8 days notice is a crock of shit.
Yeah because everyone hates fighters who will fight anyone, anytime. Everybody hates the Chris Lytles, Chris Lebens, and Dan Hendersons of the world. I mean it's not like there wasn't a resurgence of Tito fans when he stepped in at short notice to fight Rashad or how everybody hated Bisping for taking on Chael on short notice. It's just a big steaming crock of shit.
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A champ I would be a fan of would say something like: Ok I'll show you and all other challengers what happens when you skip the line and come unprepared to fight me and it won't be pretty!
Not: geeee I might lose, that could be unwise...
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