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Old 08-31-2012, 02:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Anderson called that he was going to submit Chael in their first fight in the weeks before during training with Nog. You can see for yourself around 23:48 into the video.
Dont you think that would have been a common thing to say???

I know alot of people here said that Chael is a joke of a fight and Anderson would submit him whenever he likes.

So personally i dont see anything that stands out about that. Especially if he is talking to NOG his JJ coach.

Il never believe that Anderson would have accepted losing the championship if he does not get a submission win. IF that is what people are trying to get at from this video.

Im sure he went in expecting to Submit Chael (That was his gameplan) since that would have been the best gameplan against Chael. Path of least resistance and all.
But then when he saw "Oh sht i might not be able to submit this guy after all" im sure he would have gone for the KO if he could have to prevent getting a loss and losing the title and money/sponsors.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Dont you think that would have been a common thing to say???

I know alot of people here said that Chael is a joke of a fight and Anderson would submit him whenever he likes.

So personally i dont see anything that stands out about that. Especially if he is talking to NOG his JJ coach.

Il never believe that Anderson would have accepted losing the championship if he does not get a submission win. IF that is what people are trying to get at from this video.

Im sure he went in expecting to Submit Chael (That was his gameplan) since that would have been the best gameplan against Chael. Path of least resistance and all.
But then when he saw "Oh sht i might not be able to submit this guy after all" im sure he would have gone for the KO if he could have to prevent getting a loss and losing the title and money/sponsors.
If you consider all the facts it pretty easy to conclude he was going for the submission. It's likely it took longer than he expected, but he wanted to do it. Facts:
-Chael disrespected Nog's Jujitsu
-Silva is about respect and wanted to submit Chael for Nog
- Says in the documentary he was going to submit him
-Silva walks with his GI and black belt from nog, never does
-Silva submits him and praises Nog's jujitsu at the end.

Then here is where it gets interesting, second fight Silva comes out like he normally does and knocks chael the f*** out.
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If you consider all the facts it pretty easy to conclude he was going for the submission. It's likely it took longer than he expected, but he wanted to do it. Facts:
-Chael disrespected Nog's Jujitsu
-Silva is about respect and wanted to submit Chael for Nog
- Says in the documentary he was going to submit him
-Silva walks with his GI and black belt from nog, never does
-Silva submits him and praises Nog's jujitsu at the end.

Then here is where it gets interesting, second fight Silva comes out like he normally does and knocks chael the f*** out.
But none of that proves anything. Its all very "broad" i guess is the term id use.

For instance...

When a fighter says "Im going to knock him out" does this mean that he would only go for a knock out win??? Ofcourse not.

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Chael Sonnens weakness is his BJJ. At that time everyone was saying that Chael might have some of the worst submission defense in MMA.

So having a gameplan where you are going to submit the guy who will willingly jump in your guard and is considered to have the worst sub defense, is not anything strange. That is perfectly normal and acceptable. The GI is just part of that. And telling your JJ coach that you are going to submit the guy that has some of the worst JJ defense??? pretty standard...


But that is the way i see it. Let me ask you a question..

Do you think if Anderson got the chance to knock Chael out that he would NOT have done it??? Even if it risks losing the fight and all the other things that come with that??

And who cares about what happened in the Rematch. That has no baring on the first fight. Chael didnt give Anderson a chance to finish him like he did in the second fight. To me it just proves that Anderson can Capitalize on the slightest mistakes and can do this in a variety of ways.

First fight he capitalized on the smallest opportunity to get that Triangle. In the second fight he capitalized on Sonnen falling to the ground.

+ I do remember Anderson trying to knock Chael out. Hell he rocked him pretty bad at one point.
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But none of that proves anything. Its all very "broad" i guess is the term id use.

For instance...

When a fighter says "Im going to knock him out" does this mean that he would only go for a knock out win??? Ofcourse not.

Or

Chael Sonnens weakness is his BJJ. At that time everyone was saying that Chael might have some of the worst submission defense in MMA.

So having a gameplan where you are going to submit the guy who will willingly jump in your guard and is considered to have the worst sub defense, is not anything strange. That is perfectly normal and acceptable. The GI is just part of that. And telling your JJ coach that you are going to submit the guy that has some of the worst JJ defense??? pretty standard...


But that is the way i see it. Let me ask you a question..

Do you think if Anderson got the chance to knock Chael out that he would NOT have done it??? Even if it risks losing the fight and all the other things that come with that??

And who cares about what happened in the Rematch. That has no baring on the first fight. Chael didnt give Anderson a chance to finish him like he did in the second fight. To me it just proves that Anderson can Capitalize on the slightest mistakes and can do this in a variety of ways.

First fight he capitalized on the smallest opportunity to get that Triangle. In the second fight he capitalized on Sonnen falling to the ground.

+ I do remember Anderson trying to knock Chael out. Hell he rocked him pretty bad at one point.
Sideways we have been at this for years, your telling me you are going to deny how bad Silva's striking looked that night? Even on the ground compare the 1st round of the second fight there is a huge difference.

The one thing I will agree with is he was hurt in the first fight. I believe he meant to submit him, however as the fight prolong it became a fight and he was trying to knock him out. However I don't believe he tried to defend any takedowns or anything in the first fight. He pretty much just took everything from Sonnen, barely active on the ground,etc.
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Old 08-31-2012, 03:17 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Sideways we have been at this for years, your telling me you are going to deny how bad Silva's striking looked that night? Even on the ground compare the 1st round of the second fight there is a huge difference.

The one thing I will agree with is he was hurt in the first fight. I believe he meant to submit him, however as the fight prolong it became a fight and he was trying to knock him out. However I don't believe he tried to defend any takedowns or anything in the first fight. He pretty much just took everything from Sonnen, barely active on the ground,etc.
Im not going to Deny how bad Silvas striking looked that night but i think its because Sonnen brought the fight to him and never let him get space or his rhythm going.

You dont believe he tried to defend any takedowns?? really..? I mean you could tell he attempted to defend the takedowns. I think he did defend a couple even.

I also do believe he was injured. But i think it was Sonnen that injured him. Or atleast made the injury worse.


Anyway yeah without any "definite" proof its unlikely either of us will change our opinions. We both know the same info on the situation and thus neither can surprise the other with "new" argument. Its just what you believe is more plausible i guess.
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Im not going to Deny how bad Silvas striking looked that night but i think its because Sonnen brought the fight to him and never let him get space or his rhythm going.

You dont believe he tried to defend any takedowns?? really..? I mean you could tell he attempted to defend the takedowns. I think he did defend a couple even.

I also do believe he was injured. But i think it was Sonnen that injured him. Or atleast made the injury worse.


Anyway yeah without any "definite" proof its unlikely either of us will change our opinions. We both know the same info on the situation and thus neither can surprise the other with "new" argument. Its just what you believe is more plausible i guess.
lol we can finally put this issue to rest and focus on the real enemy Jon Jones. I actually like Chael now, so there is no reason to disrespect him now.
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lol we can finally put this issue to rest and focus on the real enemy Jon Jones. I actually like Chael now, so there is no reason to disrespect him now.
Lmfao

Jon Jones is easy prey though. Its almost like he wants to humiliate himself. Not much work to do there. Only alot of laughs to be had.
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Why does Anderson love Dandan so much? Dandan is shit.
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Why does Anderson love Dandan so much? Dandan is shit.
I read Dandan is like a son to him plus don't you know every great fighter has a dude close to them with an off name.

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Anderson would not hold back if he could finish Sonnen right away with strikes, of course. His performance was off that night, but in the end he submitted Sonnen as he would prefer that night and pleased his BJJ mentor for sure.

Actually, the submission itself was just the cherry on the cake regarding his Jiu Jitsu, because it was his BJJ skills and very defensive guard who prevented him from getting hurt while having Sonnen on top for the majority of the fight.


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