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Old 09-01-2012, 03:57 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Anyone who is trying to argue that recent TUFs are bringing in as much talent as the first few seasons are living in a dream world.

Yeah, some of them might have ok records on paper but if you look at who they've beat since joining the UFC, for the most part, they've fought nobodies.
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Brutal fight, if Carwin is in fighting shape. All I know is that he's old in fighter years and had some pretty major surgery since his last fight, dude is a beast but I hope he's not fighting against doctor advice.

Can't wait for this one!
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Anyone who is trying to argue that recent TUFs are bringing in as much talent as the first few seasons are living in a dream world.

Yeah, some of them might have ok records on paper but if you look at who they've beat since joining the UFC, for the most part, they've fought nobodies.
Nobody is saying that the last few seasons are as good as the early ones (though the fights are much better). The issue is that many of you think the program is DEAD and this absurd as 80% of Miller/Bisping guys are still competing and thriving at FW, BW, Flyweight.
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Nobody is saying that the last few seasons are as good as the early ones (though the fights are much better). The issue is that many of you think the program is DEAD and this absurd as 80% of Miller/Bisping guys are still competing and thriving at FW, BW, Flyweight.
I agree for the lighter weight classes but they just can't compete in the heavier ones.


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Carwin showed some incredible heart and good cardio against dos Santos. He's a notch below the dos Santos/Velasquez/Cormier/Werdum/Overeem hegemony, but he's still a solid top ten. I ay he beats Nelson, either by decision or KO.
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I will be in Carwins corner the whole way. Love watching him fight. Roy is fun to watch too so I should be pretty entertained in this.
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:47 AM   #37 (permalink)
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1. Some of those fighters UFC records are hardly successful
Mike Whitehead 0-1
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Luke Cummo 3-4
Joe Stevenson 8-8
Ed Herman 7-6
Manny Gamburyan 3-5

2. Siler, Dodson, Johnson, Brookins, Caceres, Nijem, Ferguson, Dillashaw, and Bermudez are all closing in on top ten rankings/title shots.

3. Season 1 was filled with fighters that would have been signed anyways.

4. Amir Sadollah had a 0-0 record when he competed on the show, he beat Gerard Harris, CB Dollaway, and Matt Brown three UFC caliber fighters. Amir is still in the UFC BTW so I guess he doesn't suck that much.
Are you kidding me??? I went and sherdogged their records and none of them have a good win and many of them have already lost in the ufc within their first 3 fights. Maybe 1 or 2 of them are PROSPECTS but should not be anywhere near the ufc title or the top 10 rankings. And that is in very weak divisions that dont have much talent.


Im not saying all the guys i named of are studs but i think it gets the point across that the talent level was 5x higher.

And if we want to compare wins then Kendell won his first 3 fights in the ufc. Joe dady stevenson went 5-1, Ed Herman went 3-2, Manny went 2-1.

Alot of them didnt really start sucking until a bit later. And many of the guys you named havent even gotten 3 wins in the UFC yet

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Jonathan Brookins

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Win
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Dillashaw

Loss
Win
Win

Alex Cacares

Loss
Loss
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Loss
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How is that getting in to the top 10 rankings or a title shot?? And not to mention that the lighter weights are not very stacked with talent yet. Its a divison that 2-3 guys stick out and the rest are just there.


Dodson and Siller are the only ones that might be on the way to break in to the rankings or a title shot. But neither guy has beaten anyone remotely good. Tim Elliot might be the biggest win between them two.

And i think TONY FERGUSON is a stud but he just lost his fight. And we dont know if its going to be a trend or if he will bounce back. Which is something that happens with TUF guys. They win their first 2-3 fights and then their career goes down hill.


It is not opinion. The earlier TUFs brought in much better talent compared to the TUFs today. But if they can find atleast 1 Dodson "talent" type fighter then i say they keep going.
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1. Some of those fighters UFC records are hardly successful
Mike Whitehead 0-1
Kendell Grove 7-6
Luke Cummo 3-4
Joe Stevenson 8-8
Ed Herman 7-6
Manny Gamburyan 3-5
Joe and Manny both fought for a title, I guess they were pretty successful.
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Carwin should handle him. i don't like either guy but would love to see Carwin KO Nelson.
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Another throw away season? Glad they're getting a good payday but I probably won't even download the show this time.
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