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Old 09-02-2012, 05:11 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I can see you logic that 'fighters should fight'. When it was announced that Condit was going to wait to fight GSP instead of defending his interim title I was in complete disgust.

I think the difference in these situations is the timelines.
Wait..

Who was Condit supposed to defend his interm title against??? And when did he decide to pull out?
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:41 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Ryan - I'm not a fan of Condit's decision either. To me a champion defends his belt against all comers. As long as they are healthy and ready it shouldn't matter who is across the cage from you. That is what it means to be a champion. Prove that you are the best against all comers. Not pick and choose who and when to fight.

The UFC's system is the same as every other successful major fighting organization. The system is not at fault because it's the only system that really works for this kind of competition. Jones knew that the entire card rested on his decision. They'd already lost their original co-main event and Siver/Yagin - however entertaining a fight that would have been - could not hold as a co-main event to Ellenberger/Hieron.

So he made his choice. Protect his record rather than act like a champion or man and help out his boss, the company that enables him to make his living, and his fellow fighters. It was a self centered decision followed by a stream of increasingly petty, pointless self indulgent statements from Jones (and his coaches).
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If you follow the link to the video they actually stick up for Jones and make some good points.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:29 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Ryan - I'm not a fan of Condit's decision either. To me a champion defends his belt against all comers. As long as they are healthy and ready it shouldn't matter who is across the cage from you. That is what it means to be a champion. Prove that you are the best against all comers. Not pick and choose who and when to fight.

The UFC's system is the same as every other successful major fighting organization. The system is not at fault because it's the only system that really works for this kind of competition. Jones knew that the entire card rested on his decision. They'd already lost their original co-main event and Siver/Yagin - however entertaining a fight that would have been - could not hold as a co-main event to Ellenberger/Hieron.

So he made his choice. Protect his record rather than act like a champion or man and help out his boss, the company that enables him to make his living, and his fellow fighters. It was a self centered decision followed by a stream of increasingly petty, pointless self indulgent statements from Jones (and his coaches).
Protect his belt and finances not record. But yes, you're right. Condit did the same thing, he just never had a named opponent.

Both re poor choices for the company, yet they ebenefit the fighters.
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Wait..

Who was Condit supposed to defend his interm title against??? And when did he decide to pull out?
No one. He didn't have the cojones to because he was scared of losing his shot at the real title and the financial security that it brings.

Jones was scared of losing to Chael too, but he only had 3 days to prepare for it. Condit would have had months to prepare for someone. Instead he chose not to fight at all. At least I'm going to be able to go to the ACC and see Jones fight on the 22nd.
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He did the right thing in the end.

Their critizising him, blaming him for losing their money and he should pay them back after getting dissed like this?
This. It wouldve been nice if he did compensate all of the other fighters himself. But if they are purely blaming Jon Jones for it when their is other people to blame, he doesent owe them anything anymore.
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Protect his belt and finances not record. But yes, you're right. Condit did the same thing, he just never had a named opponent.

Both re poor choices for the company, yet they ebenefit the fighters.
He didn't protect his belt he disgraced it. Do you know how you protect your belt? You defend it.

And, unless I miss my guess, if you don't fight you don't get paid and he could have easily asked for more money for a short notice opponent. And his actions have seriously damaged his reputation which will affect future sponsors and ppv rates - damaging his finances in the long run.

So what exactly did he protect? How does any of this work out for him? Having a belt doesn't help if nobody respects you or want to see you.
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No one. He didn't have the cojones to because he was scared of losing his shot at the real title and the financial security that it brings.

Jones was scared of losing to Chael too, but he only had 3 days to prepare for it. Condit would have had months to prepare for someone. Instead he chose not to fight at all. At least I'm going to be able to go to the ACC and see Jones fight on the 22nd.
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Well there is your answer as to why it is "Different".

It has nothing to do with timelines. It is 2 completely different situations.

Jon Jones was scheduled to fight on September 1st and pulled out. Carlos Condit didnt have a fight scheduled and decided to wait for the "Title Shot" fight.

Let me put it this way.

If Dan Henderson was the UFC LHW Champion and Jon Jones wasnt. And Dan Henderson got injured. I would back Jones COMPLETELY if he decided to pull out aslong as he was promised a title shot when Dan Henderson returns. I dont think there is anything wrong with waiting for the "title shot" fight.

If he waits id call him smart. If he continued with the PPV id call him a stud.


Sadly he was neither.
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He didn't protect his belt he disgraced it. Do you know how you protect your belt? You defend it.

And, unless I miss my guess, if you don't fight you don't get paid and he could have easily asked for more money for a short notice opponent. And his actions have seriously damaged his reputation which will affect future sponsors and ppv rates - damaging his finances in the long run.

So what exactly did he protect? How does any of this work out for him? Having a belt doesn't help if nobody respects you or want to see you.

He is defending it on September 22nd against a far more dangerous opponent.

We had to wait an extra 20 some odd days for Jones to defend his belt where as Condit never defended it. He might as well of had a piece of paper that said 'IOU title shot', not a fake interim belt.

If you honestly think that all of this media attention about Jones is going to hurt his PPV buys your insane.

All press is good press, just ask Chael Sonnen. It doesn't matter if you're being talked about in a negative light. If you honestly think that the few hardcore fans that childishly boycott his PPVs is going to be outweighed by the fans drawn to buy his PPVs based on the massive media attention he's gotten in the last two weeks, then you're crazy as bat shit.

As for the respect issue you speak of, your post mirrors the kind of short term memory that the UFC fan has. It's the "what have you done for me lately' mentality that really makes me sick.

Jones made a poor decision in my mind not taking the fight, but people easily forget that this guy burst into the UFC with only 4 months training, ran through the likes of Bonnar, vladdi, vera, bader and Shogun on his way to the title, then put a whopping on Machida and Rashad.

After Anderson had his piss poor performances against Maia and Leites people soon forgot about them when he started smashing faces again.

You can bet your ass that when Jones starts smashing faces again people won't remember him turning down the Chael fight nor will they care if they do. As for the small amount of people that do remember and do care, it'll be people like you missing out on the mixed martial arts clinic he will be putting on in the coming years.
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