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Old 09-03-2012, 04:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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if Chuck's title run is overrated, then what the hell do you call Tito's run?
No one talks about Tito the way they talk about Chuck.

The facts are the facts though, he didn't fight a single striker from the first Rampage fight to the second Rampage fight. Easily the most protected fighter of all time, it baffles me when people say he "couldn't be knocked out in his prime" no shit, he didn't fight anyone with power after Rampage beat him up in Japan until he fought Rampage again.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Chuck actually had really good skills. Watch his fights where he got knocked out. Just about all of them he was winning before his chin gave out. Franlin,Shogun,Rashad, imho Chuck was winning each of those fights. If Chuck still had a chin i think he could still be a top 3 competitor.

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if anything the PRIDE guys had padded records.


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Alexander Otsuka
Kiyoshi Tamura
Kazushi Sakuraba
Tatsuya Iwasaki
Hiromitsu Kanehara
Hidehiko Yoshida
Ikuhisa Minowa
Yuki Kondo
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Cmon... these guys would not even be allowed in the UFC. I know some of you really like Sakuraba but i never thought he was good. He got some wins because the guys he fought still havent "matured". Most of the "Pride Studs" fought 70% cans.
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Easily the most protected fighter of all time
Well, WHO in the UFC at the time should he have been fighting then? please tell me...

since it seems to me he fought the best that was available to him in the UFC at the time, AND continued to do so even when his chin went to hell.
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Well then enlighten as to the great strikers in the UFC's LHW division they protected him from?

Also don't forget that his fight against Rampage was his second in the Grand Prix. In his first fight that night he handed Overeem his first loss in 3 years by ktfoing him in the pre-2 liter a day steroid habit era.
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No one talks about Tito the way they talk about Chuck.

The facts are the facts though, he didn't fight a single striker from the first Rampage fight to the second Rampage fight. Easily the most protected fighter of all time, it baffles me when people say he "couldn't be knocked out in his prime" no shit, he didn't fight anyone with power after Rampage beat him up in Japan until he fought Rampage again.
His run was over hyped, sure. But he wasn't protected. He fought the best they had to offer. Not a lot he could've done about it other than go to Pride.
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i think chuck had an easy title reign compared to other champions given the quality of competition around the time of their reign, add to the fact that UFC was not what it is today. when the UFC started to acquire actual lhw talent chuck was done for after his last fight with tito he would spend almost the next four years winning just one fight. what chuck did was great for the sport in terms of having some one represent the company and he has an amazing highlight reel that would get anybody to become a fan of the sport
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....Chuck Liddell's Light Heavyweight Title run is and forever will be the most protected and overrated run of all time.
This is probably one of the stupidest comments on an mma forum of all time.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Selective memory here? How can you say Shogun, Wanderlei, and Page's runs were overhyped (incredibly as you put it)? You cite them being exposed in the UFC when it's beyond obvious they were very weathered at that point and beyond their prime. Chuck was on the downward slope as well by now. I think if you remember how Page handled Chuck when he was in his Prime years and note how Shogun and Wanderlei looked at the time, I think it's fair to say that Chuck would have gotten beat by them in their prime. Not guaranteed but it's silly saying Chuck would have absolutely beat them.


P.S. Nobody said Chuck was nothing compared to the Pride guys. Silly logic is silly.
Nope, not a selective memory just accurate one. I didn't then nor have I ever bought into the hype that surround the "Pride gang", I've been a UFC guy since day one. I never thought the UFC was leaps and bounds better than Pride, and guess what? Pride was anything but leaps and bounds better than the UFC. This "Prime" argument is tired and old too, most of these guys were barely 30 when they came over the UFC, they shouldn't have even been at their "prime" yet... so that excuse hold absolutely no merrit what so ever.

You want logic? Here it is. You could take a handful of UFC guys and put them in Pride in it's hayday and they would have done just fine, and vice versa. However Machida, Liddell, A. Silva, Franklin, Hughes, GSP, Griffin, Couture, that lineup is as good and more often better than any lineup a "Prime" Pride could have produced.
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^ I'll be brief since you're having a tough time with the reading comprehension.


Nobody said Pride was leaps and bounds better. We're discussing one weight class during a short period of time.

I don't understand you dismissing the "prime" of an athlete aspect. So you're saying that Chuck was an inferior fighter to Franklin or Jardine? No, not necessarily he had just been in too many wars at that point and been knocked out brutally. He was around the same age as the Pride guys and they all tapered off around the same time. To say there's an age distinction on when an MMA athlete peaks (especially considering back then, athletes started at vastly different points in their career) is pretty ignorant if you're into the sport. There's been guys who peaked in their 20s and 40s so that blanket statement is baseless.

It's entertaining when you sarcastically spout off a point that makes no sense and is pretty much tangential at this point. We're talking about one fighters championship run in one division, comparing it to the same division in a different org. So you are now comparing your dream team of fighters from a different period of time (some of those guys were in Pride) to a now defunct organization
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