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Old 09-07-2012, 12:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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agreed, plus he doesnt have to state a logical reason for his claim of "stupid cops" to be true.. it is true this is just another case of the police not doing their job of "protecting and serving" the community.. they harass and oppress and that is all.
Have you herd the interview he dose on "The mma hour"? If not then I'd reserve judgment until you hear it.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:53 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Ah, now I get it. Arresting someone for driving with a suspended license seems a bit... unneccessary to me, probation or not. Well, I guess it's the law.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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agreed, plus he doesnt have to state a logical reason for his claim of "stupid cops" to be true.. it is true this is just another case of the police not doing their job of "protecting and serving" the community.. they harass and oppress and that is all.
Just to throw some fuel on the fire...

Say he was dealing drugs (not necessarily him, but anyone else in a similar situation), and the police decided not to investigate.

Wouldn't that be pretty contrary to protecting and serving the community? Or do you expect police to use some sort of crystal ball to see who is an actual criminal?

Also, people on probation don't have a normal persons rights to freedom of search and seizure without probable cause. If there was an accusation of drug sales, and the person is on probation; it seems very reasonable to search that person and their residence. That is in itself definition of serving the community. Unless you would consider taking a drug dealer off the streets oppression and harassment.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Just to throw some fuel on the fire...

Say he was dealing drugs (not necessarily him, but anyone else in a similar situation), and the police decided not to investigate.

Wouldn't that be pretty contrary to protecting and serving the community? Or do you expect police to use some sort of crystal ball to see who is an actual criminal?

Also, people on probation don't have a normal persons rights to freedom of search and seizure without probably cause. If there was an accusation of drug sales, and the person is on probation; it seems very reasonable to search that person and their residence. That is in itself definition of serving the community. Unless you would consider taking a drug dealer off the streets oppression and harassment.
Agreed. There are some "stupid" cops. But just like there are stupid people in every profession. People that label all cops this way are just flat out ignorant. And that is putting it nicely.

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I know nothing of the guy but I have learned a few things over the years, and one thing is usually where theres smoke, there's fire. I doubt he was just a innocent bystander who got caught up in a " big mistake".. sounds like they kept him a while too..
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Just to throw some fuel on the fire...

Say he was dealing drugs (not necessarily him, but anyone else in a similar situation), and the police decided not to investigate.

Wouldn't that be pretty contrary to protecting and serving the community? Or do you expect police to use some sort of crystal ball to see who is an actual criminal?

Also, people on probation don't have a normal persons rights to freedom of search and seizure without probable cause. If there was an accusation of drug sales, and the person is on probation; it seems very reasonable to search that person and their residence. That is in itself definition of serving the community. Unless you would consider taking a drug dealer off the streets oppression and harassment.
What is he on probation for? If it isn't drug related then it isn't reasonable to harass someone without more reason for suspicion.

I would choose not having cops exploit laws to harass and intimidate potentially innocent people. There is no greater good in harming the lives of others without legitimate cause. Your what if scenario doesn't fly for anyone who has been subject to unfair treatment or abuse by police.
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What is he on probation for? If it isn't drug related then it isn't reasonable to harass someone without more reason for suspicion.
I believe it's for drug possession.
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Lmao @ cops just harrass and oppress. The only people who say stuff like that are the kind of guys that complain when they get pulled over and claim racism or discrimination...but last week they had an ounce of weed in the car.
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What is he on probation for? If it isn't drug related then it isn't reasonable to harass someone without more reason for suspicion.

I would choose not having cops exploit laws to harass and intimidate potentially innocent people. There is no greater good in harming the lives of others without legitimate cause. Your what if scenario doesn't fly for anyone who has been subject to unfair treatment or abuse by police.
Power and authority over other people with little risk of punishment if abused, that's the problem. That will make people very prone to bring out the bad part of their personality. It's the old problem of "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" ("Who will guard the guards themselves?") in Plato associated interpretation. You have that with politicians, administrative employees, policemen etc. Everywhere where people get power over other people there is the risk of abuse.
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Power and authority over other people with little risk of punishment if abused, that's the problem. That will make people very prone to bring out the bad part of their personality. It's the old problem of "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" ("Who will guard the guards themselves?") in Plato associated interpretation. You have that with politicians, administrative employees, policemen etc. Everywhere where people get power over other people there is the risk of abuse.
My local welfare office is renowned for having terrible staff. They don't listen to you, they treat you like shit and they have very little interest in the job. I, like everyone else, just thought they were abusing their power and looking down on people. Then one day I went in, and there was this guy shouting at them because he has been refused welfare. These people are pretty much secretaries following the governement's rulings on welfare, yet those are the people in the firing line when they inform a guy who isn't eligable for welfare as such.

This is the same with the cops. Someone doesnt decide to be a cop to 'abuse his power'. His first day, he is called to a nightclub because someone has been beat up in a fight. He talks to the person and is like "Can you tell us what happened?". The person tells him to fuk off. He calls an ambulence and says "Can you tell us how you sustained these injuries?", which prompts the drunk person to take a swing at them. He's legit trying to help this person, and now he's in the firing line. Put up with that for years, and like the welfare office you will gain a sort of distance. It's no longer a case of helping people, it's become a job. Someone has been reported as being a drug dealer? If you give that dude the oppertunity to sit there and watch you, he could pick up a knife and stab you. That's what happens when you're nice to the person. That's why you cuff the dude and leave him down on his face. Sure, that dude will complain that it's not nessisery and you're abusing your power, but there are so many people out there that would take the shot that you can't reason with everyone you meet.
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