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**Liddellianenko** · 09-11-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Killz

I love it when people bash Dana.

Name me 1 person ever who has done more for MMA than Dana White and the Fertitas.

Every fighter.

And the Fertittas bankrolled this thing. Dana just took a combat sport that was bound to succeed, had first mover's advantage, pumped lots of OTHER peoples money into it and watched the $ roll in. It's not magic.

**slapshot** · 09-11-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Killz

I love it when people bash Dana.

Name me 1 person ever who has done more for MMA than Dana White and the Fertitas.

I love how ppl use past success to justify current failures. Oh and....

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**Killz** · 09-11-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko

Every fighter.

And the Fertittas bankrolled this thing. Dana just took a combat sport that was bound to succeed, had first mover's advantage, pumped lots of OTHER peoples money into it and watched the $ roll in. It's not magic.

Name one person that has done more for boxing than Don King.

Ok... Every fighter... what about War Machine?

The only reason we have all of these fighters to watch is because of the hard work Dana puts in. To think that just because the Fertittas have all this money, is the reason the UFC suceeded is rediculous. MMA was on its ass when they picked up the ball and they have turned it into a world wide multi million dollar sport, which ALLOWS these fighters to fight for a living.

You think small orgs like Bellator, BAMMA, Strikeforce etc would exist without the UFC and the work put in to making it as socially acceptable as it is?

You are living in a dream world my friend.

**slapshot** · 09-11-2012, 12:04 PM

BS had Dana not acquired the ufc pride would still be going roid rage strong and strkefore and dream and k1. It may have developed much slower but it wouldn't have went away and eventually mma would be just as popular as it is now or maybe even more so.

Everything Dana dose he dose for himself, I don't have a issue with that but Dana doesn't do what's right for mma as a sport and we have seem many examples of that. He dose what he feels is right for Zuffa but he's not a suit. That's why you see all the pr mistakes that and his temper.

**Liddellianenko** · 09-11-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Killz

Ok... Every fighter... what about War Machine?

The only reason we have all of these fighters to watch is because of the hard work Dana puts in. To think that just because the Fertittas have all this money, is the reason the UFC suceeded is rediculous. MMA was on its ass when they picked up the ball and they have turned it into a world wide multi million dollar sport, which ALLOWS these fighters to fight for a living.

You think small orgs like Bellator, BAMMA, Strikeforce etc would exist without the UFC and the work put in to making it as socially acceptable as it is?

You are living in a dream world my friend.

MMA was on it's ass because it was run on a shoestring budget by a backyard company.

Combat sports have always flourished when legalized and money is put in, it's man's oldest instinct. Boxing has already shown that.

Bellator, SF etc. have not surpassed the UFC because the UFC has first movers advantage, not because Dana is so brilliant.

If anything Dana has made some very stupid mistakes and is forcing the sport into a bad mold, rather than if it was run by a real professional. He can afford to though, because of the massive first mover's edge. It's like Microsoft with Windows.

**ClydebankBlitz** · 09-11-2012, 01:11 PM

I don't think Dana has done anything great for the company, but I think he's the ideal front man. He's brash, he says what he thinks and he's in your face. It's kind of exactly what the UFC is. Dana has made his mistakes and probably he could do with some revising his opinions beforehand, but that's what I like about him. If a media member asks him "Do you think X will get the next title shot?" he could easily answer "Yeah I think so" with something changing after the press conference. I prefer that over "We'll see".

Apetimberlake · 09-11-2012, 01:48 PM

Would UFC of the parent company not have some sort of cancellation insurance that would cover a loss similar to this ?

**Killz** · 09-11-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko

MMA was on it's ass because it was run on a shoestring budget by a backyard company.

Combat sports have always flourished when legalized and money is put in, it's man's oldest instinct. Boxing has already shown that.

Bellator, SF etc. have not surpassed the UFC because the UFC has first movers advantage, not because Dana is so brilliant.

If anything Dana has made some very stupid mistakes and is forcing the sport into a bad mold, rather than if it was run by a real professional. He can afford to though, because of the massive first mover's edge. It's like Microsoft with Windows.

I agree with most of what you said here, and I'm by no means a Dana nut hugger (just to clarify as it does look like I am defending him a lot).

However, you can't discredit what he has done, just because he got there first.

You can't say anybody could have done it because they didn't, Dana and the fertitas did, they took the risk that nobody else was willing to take and they have made MMA what it is today.

He does say some very silly things at times but I truly believe he is good for the UFC and it wouldn't be the same without him.

**Liddellianenko** · 09-11-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Killz

I agree with most of what you said here, and I'm by no means a Dana nut hugger (just to clarify as it does look like I am defending him a lot).

However, you can't discredit what he has done, just because he got there first.

You can't say anybody could have done it because they didn't, Dana and the fertitas did, they took the risk that nobody else was willing to take and they have made MMA what it is today.

He does say some very silly things at times but I truly believe he is good for the UFC and it wouldn't be the same without him.

As you say, he's done a lot, true. I was just responding to the hyperbolic question of "has anyone done more for mma?" .

He's shown a good business eye in catching mmas potential and growing it, but that doesn't make him god of mma as your question seemed to imply. The gracies did far more, as did many of the actual fighters; especially the HOFers. In addition he's gotten the most OUT of mma financially, whereas pioneers like the gracies etc. did it for the actual sport.

And as i mentioned, he's made a lot of mistakes and held mma back in many ways as well. Certainly not beyond reproach. If people on these forums are free to bash or critique fighters and legends, i dont see why we have to make a complete exception for dana just because he showed some business sense in the past.