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Old 09-11-2012, 03:15 PM   #51 (permalink)
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As you say, he's done a lot, true. I was just responding to the hyperbolic question of "has anyone done more for mma?" .

He's shown a good business eye in catching mmas potential and growing it, but that doesn't make him god of mma as your question seemed to imply. The gracies did far more, as did many of the actual fighters; especially the HOFers. In addition he's gotten he most OUT of mma financially, whereas pioneers like the gracies etc. did it for the actual sport
Without the likes of the Gracie's there would be no MMA, but without Dana and the Fertittas, there would be no MMA 'as we know it'.

I suppose it's debates like these that show how different MMA fans think and that makes for a lively discussion
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Old 09-11-2012, 03:21 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Everything Dana dose he dose for himself.
Its "Does"....i keep seeing you type this, thought it was a typo at first. Your grammar is all neat and tidy but you dont know this?

-- LEAVE HIM ALONE.... EVERYTHING THIS HUMAN "BEAN DOES, HE DOES FOR HIMSELF"

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Its "Does"....i keep seeing you type this, thought it was a typo at first. Your grammar is all neat and tidy but you dont know this?
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Everything Dana dose he dose for himself.
Its "Does"....i keep seeing you type this, thought it was a typo at first. Your grammar is all neat and tidy but you dont know this?

-- LEAVE HIM ALONE.... EVERYTHING THIS HUMAN "BEAN DOES, HE DOES FOR HIMSELF"
So my spelling.. That's what you're going to point out. Just making a passing observation with no point or what is your point exactly?
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So my spelling.. That's what you're going to point out. Just making a passing observation with no point or what is your point exactly?
My point is to stop you undermining your own points by looking dumb, when you clearly know what you are talking about. You're probably just dyslexic anyway... I got nothing wrong with that you said, i agree with it honestly.
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My point is to stop you undermining your own points by looking dumb, when you clearly know what you are talking about. You're probably just dyslexic anyway... I got nothing wrong with that you said, i agree with it honestly.
I can't help others get over their own preconceptions, if they are unwilling to consider my opinion because of spelling errors I doubt they have a opinion I'm interested in myself. = no loss.
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Yes. Everyone else did apparently.
Everyone else has gotten a pass??? What are you talking about. When has someone else been in this scenario and backed out??
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Everyone else has gotten a pass??? What are you talking about. When has someone else been in this scenario and backed out??
I'm talking about dana white and joe silva for putting on such a weak top heavy card, dana for only offering sonnen for a replacement when clearly he could have offered belfort and probably more; and dan henderson for hiding his injury. Hardly any outrage for those guys.
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I'm talking about dana white and joe silva for putting on such a weak top heavy card, dana for only offering sonnen for a replacement when clearly he could have offered belfort and probably more; and dan henderson for hiding his injury. Hardly any outrage for those guys.
Personally.

I have no problem with top heavy cards. I think MMA fans are spoiled by having a great card all around. I buy a PPV based on the Main Event and the other stuff i consider a "Bonus". And if a card gets cancelled due to an injury then that sucks but it happens. But if a card gets cancelled because the main attraction does not want to fight even though he has been training for 3 months??? Wow...

BUT like i said thats my personal opinion.

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Dana White im sure was in panic mode and was calling up people he thinks could be worth watching. He did call up other fighters but they wernt up to the challenge of not being in a training camp and taking a fight. Chael Sonnen seems to be the only one that was willing to take a fight without being in fight shape. You cant blame Dana for not offering Vitor since that fight doesnt make any sense either and Vitor isnt exactly known for showing up to fights. So Vitor was probably the furthest thing from his mind. Chael Sonnen made sense since he was willing and the fight was still "Interesting".

BUT you have to realize that Jon Jones said he wouldnt have taken any fight. So who Dana offered him was not the problem.

So i dont see why there should be any outrage on Dana for offering the fight to Chael. TBH i thought it was a good save.

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Dan Henderson did **** UP and he ****ED UP big. BUT fighters are going to try and fight injuries. Chael said that Dan wanted to take the fight on one leg but his doctor didnt allow him to take it. I personally cant be mad at Dan for attempting to fight through the injury. Its what fighters do . Though it was obviously a dumb decision on his part and i think EVERYONE would agree to that. But i dont think you can be mad at a guy for wanting to fight through the injury.



Jon Jones on the other hand... well im not going to bore you. You already know what he did and you already know what my opinion is. The outrage is pretty damn justified.
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Personally.

I have no problem with top heavy cards. I think MMA fans are spoiled by having a great card all around. I buy a PPV based on the Main Event and the other stuff i consider a "Bonus". And if a card gets cancelled due to an injury then that sucks but it happens. But if a card gets cancelled because the main attraction does not want to fight even though he has been training for 3 months??? Wow...

BUT like i said thats my personal opinion.

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Dana White im sure was in panic mode and was calling up people he thinks could be worth watching. He did call up other fighters but they wernt up to the challenge of not being in a training camp and taking a fight. Chael Sonnen seems to be the only one that was willing to take a fight without being in fight shape. You cant blame Dana for not offering Vitor since that fight doesnt make any sense either and Vitor isnt exactly known for showing up to fights. So Vitor was probably the furthest thing from his mind. Chael Sonnen made sense since he was willing and the fight was still "Interesting".

BUT you have to realize that Jon Jones said he wouldnt have taken any fight. So who Dana offered him was not the problem.

So i dont see why there should be any outrage on Dana for offering the fight to Chael. TBH i thought it was a good save.

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Dan Henderson did **** UP and he ****ED UP big. BUT fighters are going to try and fight injuries. Chael said that Dan wanted to take the fight on one leg but his doctor didnt allow him to take it. I personally cant be mad at Dan for attempting to fight through the injury. Its what fighters do . Though it was obviously a dumb decision on his part and i think EVERYONE would agree to that. But i dont think you can be mad at a guy for wanting to fight through the injury.



Jon Jones on the other hand... well im not going to bore you. You already know what he did and you already know what my opinion is. The outrage is pretty damn justified.
I've given justifications for Jones' actions just as you have given for the others' (Sonnen not deserving the shot, jumping to a title shot for nothing more than trashing the very guy he expects to gift him a shot, WWE style promotion and setting a bad precedent, possibility of inside knowledge and collusion with Hendo etc.).

What Jones did was obviously not ideal, but what the others did was not ideal either. All have some justifications, none completely absolve them of their actions though. ALL OF THEM could have known / acted better.

You may not have a problem with top heavy cards, but the card would not have been cancelled if it wasn't. The co-main would simply become the main, as has happened dozens of times. You can't be fine with the symptom and hate the disease. You may be fine with Hendo trying to hide his injury till one bloody week before the fight, but that doesn't make it right. He could have mentioned it without revealing exact details and at least laid the groundwork for some backup plans.

The fact remains that others are getting a free pass, bones isn't. And that's bias.
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I've given justifications for Jones' actions just as you have given for the others' (Sonnen not deserving the shot, jumping to a title shot for nothing more than trashing the very guy he expects to gift him a shot, WWE style promotion and setting a bad precedent, possibility of inside knowledge and collusion with Hendo etc.).

What Jones did was obviously not ideal, but what the others did was not ideal either. All have some justifications, none completely absolve them of their actions though. ALL OF THEM should have known / acted better.

The fact remains that others are getting a free pass, bones isn't. And that's bias.
TBH i dont see how any of those are justifications. Jon Jones should be fighting whoever is put infront of him as long as that person makes weight. The fact that Chael didnt "deserve" it should have absolutely NOTHING to do with Jones. Especially since this was a special circumstance and thats the only reason Chael got the title shot. Basically Jones is picking his opponents if thats the case.

And you are ignoring the part where Jones said he would have said no to anybody.

And even if Chael was training for 3 weeks prior... Jones was in a training camp for 3 months. But there is no proof Chael was training anyway. All of it was "Circumstantial"
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