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Old 09-13-2012, 05:40 AM   #61 (permalink)
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TBH i dont see how any of those are justifications. Jon Jones should be fighting whoever is put infront of him as long as that person makes weight. The fact that Chael didnt "deserve" it should have absolutely NOTHING to do with Jones. Especially since this was a special circumstance and thats the only reason Chael got the title shot. Basically Jones is picking his opponents if thats the case.

And you are ignoring the part where Jones said he would have said no to anybody.

And even if Chael was training for 3 weeks prior... Jones was in a training camp for 3 months. But there is no proof Chael was training anyway. All of it was "Circumstantial"
I dont see how any of what you mentioned are justifications either.

Dana SHOULD be putting more than one fight per card.

Dan SHOULD have had the courtesy to tell the org he may not fight. Pulling out one week before is unprecedented and completely unprofessional.

At least champs refusing fights has precedent. Bones SHOULD agree to fight whoever is put before him, but he has a right not to, a right that has been exercised by other champs (Anderson, Tito etc.)
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:41 AM   #62 (permalink)
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This is my personal opinion: losing that 40 000 000 dollars is UFC's fault. They are the organization that puts this all together. Would they have lost all that money if they ran the card without their initial main event? No. But they still didn't go with the PPV because Ellenberger-Hieron wasn't even worthy of a main event. I've seen better fights on paper in the undercards. Jon did nothing wrong, he had a right to choose whether he wants to fight or not and the UFC shouldn't have been putting all that weight on Jones' shoulders.

Edit: You can make an argument that Jones is a champion and should face whoever they put in front of him. That is the case but not when his spent months preparing for someone else, it's for the title and you get the fight in a few days notice.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:44 AM   #63 (permalink)
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I dont see how any of what you mentioned are justifications either.

Dana SHOULD be putting more than one fight per card.

Dan SHOULD have had the courtesy to tell the org he may not fight. Pulling out one week before is unprecedented and completely unprofesional.
We already knew what the card was like when Jones was headlining. No one really cared then.

Dan should definitely have told them earlier. But like i said you cant be outraged at a fighter for trying to fight an injury.


And i SHOULD probably shave.


None of those are as bad as what Jones did. The outrage for Jones is justified just as people not being outraged at Dana White and Henderson is. And obviously just about everyone else shares this opinion.

Its fine that you have a different opinion. But so far your arguments are fairly weak. So im wondering if you are a Jones fan and your opinion might be influenced by that a bit. I dont recall tbh... are you a Jones fan?



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Edit: You can make an argument that Jones is a champion and should face whoever they put in front of him. That is the case but not when his spent months preparing for someone else, it's for the title and you get the fight in a few days notice.

Why not???

Chael wasnt training at all. So Jones is still in a much better position.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:50 AM   #64 (permalink)
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We already knew what the card was like when Jones was headlining. No one really cared then.

Dan should definitely have told them earlier. But like i said you cant be outraged at a fighter for trying to fight an injury.


And i SHOULD probably shave.


None of those are as bad as what Jones did. The outrage for Jones is justified just as people not being outraged at Dana White and Henderson is. And obviously just about everyone else shares this opinion.

Its fine that you have a different opinion. But so far your arguments are fairly weak. So im wondering if you are a Jones fan and your opinion might be influenced by that a bit. I dont recall tbh... are you a Jones fan?
Yes, yes we can be outraged at a guy hiding an injury till one week before the fight. You don't because you like the guy that did it and hate the other guy. It's unheard of and unprofessional.

Saying no one cared about the crap card until this happened is like saying no one cared about a can of gas lying next to the fireplace until the whole house burnt down. Of course we didn't. It had been lying there for weeks and nothing happened right? People only care for safety hazards when disasters happen. If people HAD cared the disaster wouldn't have happened.

The fact remains it was the safety hazard that caused the fire. Don't blame the fireman (jones in this analogy) for showing up 2 mins late, blame your bloody self for smoking a cigar in a log cabin soaked with gasoline.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:53 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Yes, yes we can be outraged at a guy hiding an injury till one week before the fight. You don't because you like the guy that did it and hate the other guy. It's unheard of and unprofessional.

Saying no one cared about the crap card until this happened is like saying no one cared about a can of gas lying next to the fireplace until the whole house burnt down. Of course we didn't. People only care for safety hazards when disasters happen. If people HAD cared the disaster wouldn't have happened.

The fact remains it was the safety hazard that caused the fire. Don't blame the fireman (jones in this analogy) for showing up 2 mins late, blame your bloody self for smoking a cigar in a log cabin soaked with gasoline.
But for your scenario to make more sense.

The Fireman (Jones in this situation) had the option to save the house but decided not to because the fire was different from the fire he extinguished in training. Even though he was preparing to extinguish fires for the last 3 months.

In which case that fireman should probably be fired.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:00 AM   #66 (permalink)
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But for your scenario to make more sense.

The Fireman (Jones in this situation) had the option to save the house but decided not to because the fire was different from the fire he extinguished in training. Even though he was preparing to extinguish fires for the last 3 months.

In which case that fireman should probably be fired.
You're taking the analogy too literally but ok I'll bite.

If you want to get ridiculous, he did it because, as in forest fires, trying to waste time putting out the fire would only encourage it and give it time to burn the whole forest down.

In such cases of a douchy virulent fire with a nasally voice, it's standard procedure to let the fire burn down what is already beyond saving, and instead make a "fire break" and save the rest of the forest (the MMA world in this case, from the scourge of WWE shit talking = title shot).
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:02 AM   #67 (permalink)
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You're taking the analogy too literally but ok I'll bite.

If you want to get ridiculous, he did it because, as in forest fires, trying to waste time putting out the fire would only encourage it and give it time to burn the whole forest down.

In such cases of a douchy virulent fire, it's standard procedure to let the fire burn down what is already beyond saving, and instead make a "fire break" and save the rest of the forest (the MMA world in this case, from the scourge of WWE shit talking = title shot).
I actually didnt get ridiculous. I stayed in line with your "analogy"

But this response is just downright silly and its obvious you arnt trying to even make any good points or sense anymore.

So i think we took this as far as we can take it.

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Old 09-13-2012, 06:10 AM   #68 (permalink)
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I actually didnt get ridiculous. I stayed in line with your "analogy"

But this response is just downright silly and its obvious you arnt trying to even make any good points or sense anymore.

So i think we took this as far as we can take it.

Good night.
No sillier than yours and it makes perfect sense. Encouraging this kind of behavior and queue jumping and arbitrary forcing of no-option last minute fights just to sell ppvs is horrible for the sport. It's a bigger fire than just one card failing, a card that was a huge hazard and bad practice to begin with.

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No sillier than yours and it makes perfect sense. Encouraging this kind of behavior and queue jumping just to sell ppvs is horrible for the sport, and a bigger fire than just one card failing, a card that was a huge hazard and bad practice to begin with.

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