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Old 09-10-2012, 08:10 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Silva will never take this fight anyway. He's at the end of his career and GSP is still in his prime. There's no way he wants to tarnish his record by fighting the WW champion who's known for his wrestling and strength.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Silva will never take this fight anyway. He's at the end of his career and GSP is still in his prime. There's no way he wants to tarnish his record by fighting the WW champion who's known for his wrestling and strength.
Have you been living under a rock?

How can you make this claim when Anderson has been hunting for this fight since he has beat Sonnen? He has talked about fighting GSP all the time saying he would try to go to 170. Would fight him even if he lost to Condit. Wants to sit out in hopes of fighting GSP early next year?

He is the one who wants the fight bad...
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Have you been living under a rock?

How can you make this claim when Anderson has been hunting for this fight since he has beat Sonnen? He has talked about fighting GSP all the time saying he would try to go to 170. Would fight him even if he lost to Condit. Wants to sit out in hopes of fighting GSP early next year?

He is the one who wants the fight bad...
If he would do it then why doesn't he. There's nothing stopping him and I'm sure as hell the UFC would put any other GSP fight on hold for this fight.
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What do you have to say for the fcat that Jones doesn't want to fight Anderson either? So how is anyone supposed to give Anderson flack when they both have said they don't want it?
Anderson said he didn't want to fight Jones first. And no one cared or accused him of being scared. GSP doesn't merit that same respect? Okay.

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What do you have to say to the fact that ANderson has fought in 3 different weight classes and is almost 38 years old? What do you have to say when I tell you THAT is why Anderson doesn't get any flack also. Because GSP has NEVER done this yet is the P4P #2?
You can be a great fighter without having to go up and down in weight. I don't subscribe to lists. Many people consider Fedor the greatest fighter of all time, and how often did he fight outside of HW? Exactly. I don't believe that moving up and wailing on a couple of cans makes you better than a champion who rules his weight class with an iron fist.

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Why don't you actually answer some of the points I stated rather than act like my post made no sense?
Because your points are ridiculous and don't even enter the conversation. I'm referencing Silva fans having no problem with Anderson refusing to fight Bones, yet calling GSP a scaredy-cat because he doesn't yet want to fight the MW champion. I really don't see where Anderson's moving up and down in weight comes into that discussion. If Silva's knocking out the almighty James Irvine and Forrest Griffin is enough to make you get down on both knees and jerk away, then that's your prerogative.

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Why are you even talking about Bones/ANderson? How is that even relevant? Is Dana White talking about that fight? Why are you comparing a fight that has been talked about for years, is being talked about a lot by the president of the UFC, who at least 1 of the fighters involved wants....with a Bones/Anderson fight? 1 is reality and 1 is your made up fantasy fight that isn't even on the table...
Because Dana White represents all fans everywhere. No fight should ever be discussed unless Dana okays it or introduces the idea. Bones vs. Anderson isn't on the table because Anderson came right out and said he didn't want it. Jones simply went along with that. Had Anderson said he wanted to mess Jones up, that fight would most definitely 'be on the table'.

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You completely avoid the fact that Bones has said he doesn't want that fight either. You avoid the fact that that fight isn't even being talked about while the GSP/Silva matchup has been talked about for years?
lol, yes. People aren't talking about Bones vs. Silva. It's just me. Get your head out of your arse and try paying attention to what other posters have to say, as that fight is talked about often. And what does it matter if Bones also doesn't want the fight? Are you telling me that because Silva wants to fight St. Pierre, Georges should automatically have to accept it? If GSP wants to rule over WW for a little while longer, he's entitled to make that call as WW Champion. Again, there's that double standard. Silva doesn't want to fight Weidman and would instead rather fight a WW, but he's the champion and so that's just fine. Jon Jones doesn't want to fight Sonnen, but will take on Vitor, and hey... it's cool because he's the LHW champion. And champions are allowed to call the shots. Oh, wait... GSP wants to conquer WW, HIS DIVISION, and he's a wuss. Give me a break.

You're not worth debating. You resort to ridiculous retorts that have nothing to do with what I'm saying, and you make baseless assumptions and accusations. Where did I say that I wouldn't pay to watch this fight? I'd love to see St. Pierre test himself against arguably the best ever. I'm simply pointing out the ignorance of people like yourself who label GSP a coward for not wanting to fight Silva right now, while at the same time justifying Silva's obvious dodging of Jon Jones. Oh, but silly me... no one has ever talked about that fight to begin with
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If he would do it then why doesn't he. There's nothing stopping him and I'm sure as hell the UFC would put any other GSP fight on hold for this fight.
He has asked for the fight.

Dana White has said it could be next.

GSP just said he wants to clean out 170lbs and he isn't ready for Silva talk.

What. On. Earth. Are. You. Talking. About?

You make no sense. Silva has asked for this fight every week since he beat Sonnen. Pay attention.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:16 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Anderson said he didn't want to fight Jones first. And no one cared or accused him of being scared. GSP doesn't merit that same respect? Okay.



You can be a great fighter without having to go up and down in weight. I don't subscribe to lists. Many people consider Fedor the greatest fighter of all time, and how often did he fight outside of HW? Exactly. I don't believe that moving up and wailing on a couple of cans makes you better than a champion who rules his weight class with an iron fist.

Because your points are ridiculous and don't even enter the conversation. I'm referencing Silva fans having no problem with Anderson refusing to fight Bones, yet calling GSP a scaredy-cat because he doesn't yet want to fight the MW champion. I really don't see where Anderson's moving up and down in weight comes into that discussion. If Silva's knocking out the almighty James Irvine and Forrest Griffin is enough to make you get down on both knees and jerk away, then that's your prerogative.



Because Dana White represents all fans everywhere. No fight should ever be discussed unless Dana okays it or introduces the idea. Bones vs. Anderson isn't on the table because Anderson came right out and said he didn't want it. Jones simply went along with that. Had Anderson said he wanted to mess Jones up, that fight would most definitely 'be on the table'.



lol, yes. People aren't talking about Bones vs. Silva. It's just me. Get your head out of your arse and try paying attention to what other posters have to say, as that fight is talked about often. And what does it matter if Bones also doesn't want the fight? Are you telling me that because Silva wants to fight St. Pierre, Georges should automatically have to accept it? If GSP wants to rule over WW for a little while longer, he's entitled to make that call as WW Champion. Again, there's that double standard. Silva doesn't want to fight Weidman and would instead rather fight a WW, but he's the champion and so that's just fine. Jon Jones doesn't want to fight Sonnen, but will take on Vitor, and hey... it's cool because he's the LHW champion. And champions are allowed to call the shots. Oh, wait... GSP wants to conquer WW, HIS DIVISION, and he's a wuss. Give me a break.

You're not worth debating. You resort to ridiculous retorts that have nothing to do with what I'm saying, and you make baseless assumptions and accusations. Where did I say that I wouldn't pay to watch this fight? I'd love to see St. Pierre test himself against arguably the best ever. I'm simply pointing out the ignorance of people like yourself who label GSP a coward for not wanting to fight Silva right now, while at the same time justifying Silva's obvious dodging of Jon Jones. Oh, but silly me... no one has ever talked about that fight to begin with
Why do you go off on a rant of you can be a great fighter without moving weights? Where did I ever say GSP was not great? I have said he is the 2nd best of all time. What are you babbling about?


The GSP/Anderson fight would be at a catchweight. Both fighters would move weight.

An Anderson/Bones fight would be at 205 Anderson moving up a whole weight class to fight its biggest fighter. They wouldn't be meeting anywhere.

They aren't even the same. 1 would be a title fight. 1 wouldn't. 1 is a catch. 1 isn't.

Silva doesn't get flack for not going up because he is an old man. Who has done it before. Who has stated that is Machida's division and that is why he doesn't fight at 205. That is why Anderson doesn't get any flack or called a pansy.

Anderson has said Jones would win that fight. He says he doesn't want that fight. Why doesn't GSP just say that? Why does he act like he wants to do it but stall out each time? Why not just say "no I don't want to fight Anderson?

Why would Anderson get flack for admitting he would lose to Bones? When he has moved around weights, fought some of the best 170s of that time. Became the best 185er. Has fought at 205. Ask yourself, why would that guy get any flack?

GSP has done none of that and is in his prime. Sorry for giving that golden boy some flack. As if Fedor, Randy, BJ Penn never got flack in their careers?

Anderson Silva has basically called GSP out. He has basically said he is 38 years old and has a few fights left. Lets see who the best is. He is ready. Wish GSP was a little more competitive and wanted to test his skills vs. the best like a BJ Penn.

As a Sonnen fan I figured you would be a little more against guys backing down to a challenge? I guess not though..
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I bring up weight classes because at least Anderson has moved weight. At least he has gone outside of his weight. Penn has also. So it is sort of GSP's turn if anyone is going to move.

Anderson has said he would go to 170. But is that really fair? We want to make the 38 year old cut all the way down to 170 somewhere he hasn't been in close to a decade? Why not make it fair like GSP said at a catchweight? Both would be moving weight.

On a side note, not directed at you, one thing I don't understand is why people compare Bones/Anderson and GSP/Anderson. If the GSP fight happened Anderson would cut down to 180. If the Bones fight happened they would not meet at a weight. Anderson would have to go all the way to 205 while Bones has the luxury of being the bigger man and not having to do anything different. 1 is a catchweight fight. The other is Anderson moving up a full weight class to fight the biggest guy to ever compete in the division...
That's where we disagree, if you look at BJ's record it's littered with losses and if you just glance at his record you kinda get thrown off and most of those losses are from him fighting guys like GSP, Hughes, Diaz, and even Machida. I don't really think anyone has to "take turns" moving up in weight, that's just me though, there's fights at 185 I like for Anderson, and there's fights at 170 I like for GSP. I'd watch the fight just because, but it's not really something I think would be competitive, I think Anderson would be too big for him just like I think Jones would be too big and too strong for Anderson.

As for the last part, I have no clue how much Anderson cuts, I know Jones cuts from 230, GSP from 195, Bendo from 190, Aldo from 165-170, and Cruz cuts from 160, Anderson's weight is kind of a mystery, he looked good when he weighed in vs. Chael but he's also discussed fights at Heavyweight, unless he pulled a Hendo and chugged water to make 207 then he'd have to weigh more than 205 unless he's dropped weight since he fought Forrest.
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He is ducking him but it really isn't that big of a deal. He isn't a fighter in his weight class; he doesn't have to fight him. What makes him look bad is the waffling because it gets people excited for the fight. If GSP thought he could do what he did to Alves and Hardy to Andy he would have fought him already. He knows that is an extremely dangerous fight for him and one he doesn't have to accept so he won't.
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That's where we disagree, if you look at BJ's record it's littered with losses and if you just glance at his record you kinda get thrown off and most of those losses are from him fighting guys like GSP, Hughes, Diaz, and even Machida. I don't really think anyone has to "take turns" moving up in weight, that's just me though, there's fights at 185 I like for Anderson, and there's fights at 170 I like for GSP. I'd watch the fight just because, but it's not really something I think would be competitive, I think Anderson would be too big for him just like I think Jones would be too big and too strong for Anderson.

As for the last part, I have no clue how much Anderson cuts, I know Jones cuts from 230, GSP from 195, Bendo from 190, Aldo from 165-170, and Cruz cuts from 160, Anderson's weight is kind of a mystery, he looked good when he weighed in vs. Chael but he's also discussed fights at Heavyweight, unless he pulled a Hendo and chugged water to make 207 then he'd have to weigh more than 205 unless he's dropped weight since he fought Forrest.
I'm not saying anyone has to take turns. I'm just saying many of the other bests have moved weight in order to challenge themselves or find the biggest fights. And GSP has not fought a single fight outside of 170lbs. I'd like to see him test himself. There will always be "challengers" at each division. They rise to contender status and lose...then there is another. I'd like to see GSP/Diaz and Silva vs. Weidman or Bisping. But I'd like to see GSP/Silva at a catch weight most of all.

Silva weighs more than 205. I am just saying Bones would not have to cut weight. GSP and Anderson would meet at 180. Anderson would have to cut 5 extra lbs more than he has in a decade. In a Bones fight there is no cutting. Bones is not moving weight. They aren't meeting at say 198...So in my eyes those are 2 totally different things.

Being a MAchida fan you more than anyone knows that ANderson doesn't want to go to 205 because that is Machida's division. They both want to hold titles and neither wants to get in the way of the other.

Like Penn did, like Couture did, like Hendo has done, I would like to see GSP challenge himself and try a different weight or a catchweight. If he loses he can come back down to 170 and continue to dominate for 5 more years..
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Have you been living under a rock?

How can you make this claim when Anderson has been hunting for this fight since he has beat Sonnen? He has talked about fighting GSP all the time saying he would try to go to 170. Would fight him even if he lost to Condit. Wants to sit out in hopes of fighting GSP early next year?

He is the one who wants the fight bad...
Yeah I don't agree with this at all. Anderson has a guaranteed title shot at 205 or 170 neither of which he is willing to take. Anderson also claims he's ready to fight, as is the number one contender Chris Weidman but he won't take that fight.

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I'm not saying anyone has to take turns. I'm just saying many of the other bests have moved weight in order to challenge themselves or find the biggest fights. And GSP has not fought a single fight outside of 170lbs. I'd like to see him test himself. There will always be "challengers" at each division. They rise to contender status and lose...then there is another. I'd like to see GSP/Diaz and Silva vs. Weidman or Bisping. But I'd like to see GSP/Silva at a catch weight most of all.
GSP has taken fights with MW's and LW's champions and I think he would face Anderson Silva at his weight class. But to make an exhibition bout and hold up two divisions again just seems wrong. We talk about all the guys got screwed by Jones not fighting on the 1st, what about all the guys in the WW division that have been screwed by not being able to contend for the title.

I've heard a lot of crap about "champions" over the past month. But you know I don't think you are less of a champion if you don't finish guys. I don't think you are less of a champion if you decide you don't want to fight outside your weight class. I don't think you are less of a champion because you don't want to fight any random guy on eight days notice.

I do think you are less of a champion when you are healthy and able to fight and you decide to sit out for six months.
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