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Old 09-10-2012, 06:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Seems you really put a lot of stock in Anderson's TDD. I don't think his TDD is terrible, but he certainly is not great at it. When you combine that with GSP having the most explosive and successful TD in MMA, I think that's going to be a decided advantage. And we're not just talking about shooting from the outside. GSP is a genius at all kinds of takedowns, and think he's going to be as strong as anyone Silva has faced.

I used be favor Andy in this matchup, but I've evolved over to GSP on this one. I still see both of them with their advantages, but I think GSP will be able to defend the striking game much better than Anderson will be able to defend the ground game. He's used to lighter quicker fighters. And Sonnen took down Anderson at will for 6 straight rounds. He never took any significant damage on the feet. NEVER! And Sonnen is very one dimensional on his feet, and even his takedowns were pretty one dimensional.

GSP has been evolving on the feet and will face a very good standup fighter in Condit in his next fight. If he handles that fight well, coming off his injury, I think he'll be ready to jump over and fight Anderson. That's how I see it. I think the stars are lined up for him on this one.
I do put a lot of stock in Silva's TDD....against welterweights. He has been taken down by some very big and strong MW's. Getting taken down by a WW is something else.

Maybe I am overrating his TDD, but I think you're under-rating the importance of the size difference. GSP has been an unstoppable takedown machine...AT WW. He is a WW, he dominates WW, he belongs at WW, but he will not be a big MW.

Even at catchweight, his awesome skill set and gameplanning can compensate for a lot of size difference, but I just don't think it compensates enough against Silva. I think GSP easily beats the vast majority of MW's, but Silva is not in that category.
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Well, Sonne said the knee on the ground hurt him. If you remember, he did that funky spinning backfist ended him up on the ground where Anderson capitalized. And of course in the first fight Anderson submitted him off his back.

Sonnen, who in my opinion is a very one dimensional striker, was never in grave danger on the feet with Anderson. I'm just of the opinion that GSP is much better on the feet, and even better on the ground. I think he's faster and a better wrestler. I think he's more diverse and a better gameplanner. I just think Anderson may be walking into this not realizing what he's getting himself into.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I do put a lot of stock in Silva's TDD....against welterweights. He has been taken down by some very big and strong MW's. Getting taken down by a WW is something else.

Maybe I am overrating his TDD, but I think you're under-rating the importance of the size difference. GSP has been an unstoppable takedown machine...AT WW. He is a WW, he dominates WW, he belongs at WW, but he will not be a big MW.

Even at catchweight, his awesome skill set and gameplanning can compensate for a lot of size difference, but I just don't think it compensates enough against Silva. I think GSP easily beats the vast majority of MW's, but Silva is not in that category.
This pretty much sums up my previous approach to this bout. What changed my mind was Sonnen in combination with the success GSP has had with strikers. Now if you are correct that Silva at 178 will be shrugging off GSP like a child, indeed he'll have an easy night. BUt I think he's in for a big surprise, if that's his thinking. GSP is an incredibly strong WW and a very savvy technical wrestler.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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That was after Sonnen was badly hurt on the ground though. Sonnen was able to stand just fine with Anderson for 6 rounds prior to his shortcomings on the ground. Now if GSP falls down and takes a knee to the gut, yeah, he may have some trouble on the feet after that. I just don't see it happening.

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Old 09-10-2012, 07:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Who knows what would happen. I think GSp could take him down eventually but the thing with him is his not going to the takedown right off the bat as Sonnen did, he'd mix it up with strikes and takedowns. In other words he'd be striking with Anderson.

I guess we'd have to witness it ourselves to really paint the picture.
I agree with this but I am definitely leaning towrads Anderson. He will be bigger, has much smoother striking and amazing head movement and foot work. GSP is better than Sonnen striking and mixes up his strikes quite well, but he does NOT have the KO power to hurt Anderson on the feet.

Anderson took flush shots from Henderson, Riviera(spelling), Lee FakING Murray, etc, so it isn't going to be GSP who's going to rock Anderson.

GSP does have amazing takedowns and sublimely transitions from strikes to his TDD, but lets not forget Anderson has a sick guard, and good BJJ. So even if GSP gets the takedown and is in top control, it won't be a smooth ride in my opinion.

So even though I swing from gsp's nuts, I'm not blind to the facts that Anderson will be too big, and too skillful in my honest opinion to beat Anderson, but be assured I'll put my fan hat on if this fight happens, and will root like crazy for my boy GSP!
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Seems you really put a lot of stock in Anderson's TDD. I don't think his TDD is terrible, but he certainly is not great at it. When you combine that with GSP having the most explosive and successful TD in MMA, I think that's going to be a decided advantage. And we're not just talking about shooting from the outside. GSP is a genius at all kinds of takedowns, and think he's going to be as strong as anyone Silva has faced.

I used be favor Andy in this matchup, but I've evolved over to GSP on this one. I still see both of them with their advantages, but I think GSP will be able to defend the striking game much better than Anderson will be able to defend the ground game. He's used to lighter quicker fighters. And Sonnen took down Anderson at will for 6 straight rounds. He never took any significant damage on the feet. NEVER! And Sonnen is very one dimensional on his feet, and even his takedowns were pretty one dimensional.

GSP has been evolving on the feet and will face a very good standup fighter in Condit in his next fight. If he handles that fight well, coming off his injury, I think he'll be ready to jump over and fight Anderson. That's how I see it. I think the stars are lined up for him on this one.
Well to be fair, some of the shots that Chael took in the process of taking Anderson down for six rounds would of knocked GSP the F out.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:35 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I agree with this but I am definitely leaning towrads Anderson. He will be bigger, has much smoother striking and amazing head movement and foot work. GSP is better than Sonnen striking and mixes up his strikes quite well, but he does NOT have the KO power to hurt Anderson on the feet.

Anderson took flush shots from Henderson, Riviera(spelling), Lee FakING Murray, etc, so it isn't going to be GSP who's going to rock Anderson.

GSP does have amazing takedowns and sublimely transitions from strikes to his TDD, but lets not forget Anderson has a sick guard, and good BJJ. So even if GSP gets the takedown and is in top control, it won't be a smooth ride in my opinion.

So even though I swing from gsp's nuts, I'm not blind to the facts that Anderson will be too big, and too skillful in my honest opinion to beat Anderson, but be assured I'll put my fan hat on if this fight happens, and will root like crazy for my boy GSP!
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That was after Sonnen was badly hurt on the ground though. Sonnen was able to stand just fine with Anderson for 6 rounds prior to his shortcomings on the ground. Now if GSP falls down and takes a knee to the gut, yeah, he may have some trouble on the feet after that. I just don't see it happening.
Umm... no it wasn't. That was in the second or third round of the first fight. And the only striking exchange he won against Anderson was in round one of fight one. The rest of the time he just charged and shot.

And in the second fight in round two he was losing the stand up prior to taking the knee. After which he got up and then was dropped by Anderson again.
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Umm... no it wasn't. That was in the second or third round of the first fight. And the only striking exchange he won against Anderson was in round one of fight one. The rest of the time he just charged and shot.

And in the second fight in round two he was losing the stand up prior to taking the knee. After which he got up and then was dropped by Anderson again.
Oh, I stand corrected on that, but doesn't that make my original point? Who won that round where Anderson landed that shot?

You're making this about Sonnen, and you're missing the point. I'm not saying Sonnen can beat Anderson, I'm saying GSP can. GSP is a better wrestler, better TD artist, better top game, better striker. If you're merely implying that Ander landed some shots against Sonnen, I would agree. I'm merely saying Sonnen was never in danger on his feet against Anderson, and I see GSP with much better standup skills.
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I think from training against Chael so much, Anderson has strengthened his TTD to where he can stifle GSP and keep it standing just enough to get the knock out.
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