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Old 09-11-2012, 09:08 AM   #41 (permalink)
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My simple philosophical question would be:

Then why do a majority of GSP fans not want the fight? While pretty much all Silva fans not only want the fight? But welcome it?
What GSP fans don't want it???? Name one.

I'm a huge GSP fan, and I think he probably loses to Silva, like a lot of GSP fans, and I sure as hell still want to see this fight, and so do they. Regardless of the outcome, it would be one of the most important fights in MMA history, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want it.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:05 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I think Silva is making a huge mistake calling out GSP.
While I disagree with your prediction, it's yours and I won't pick at it. However, this line gets to me. This is where people are ruining fighting. You don't make a mistake by taking a fight you might lose. Careers are build upon taking fights you might lose. You think Ali went in against Frazier the second time and thought there was no chance he'd lose again? He had a huge chance to lose that one, and it pretty much made him the man he became. You think Nick Diaz was the favourite going in against Robbie Lawler? He had next to no chance on the cards, and if he did it was by submission. Instead, he knocked him out. Although his career took a bit longer to pan out, it was a huge moment for him and what was ahead.

It's not a mistake taking a fight and losing. Losing is part of the game. Everyone loses at some point. If someone takes a fight of this magnitude, nobody "loses", but someone becomes the greatest. Right now, the greatest is split between GSP and Anderson Silva. Okay, maybe AS gets the title quite a lot but basically, if GSP beats Condit, it will get closer again and there will be no "greatest". You think (for this thread) Anderson Silva should be happy to be "maybe" the best? No, he wants to be the best, and I'm sure every fighter would be happy to step up and lose, becoming the second greatest, over not stepping up and getting a joint placement.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:39 PM   #43 (permalink)
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What GSP fans don't want it???? Name one.

I'm a huge GSP fan, and I think he probably loses to Silva, like a lot of GSP fans, and I sure as hell still want to see this fight, and so do they. Regardless of the outcome, it would be one of the most important fights in MMA history, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want it.
Look around the forum a bit. There are people saying it doesn't appeal to them and they don't care for that fight. Some GSP fans are backing GSP for putting the fight off saying he doesn't need to fight anyone outside of 170.
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The bold part is where you invalidate everything that comes before it. This is pure trolling.

I think Silva is currently ahead of GSP in the p4p ranking (for what that's worth, which isn't much), but the only argument you can make for GSP to be ahead of Silva, is that he has fought better opposition than Silva.
Okay name me one fight GSP has faced before that is better than Anderson Silva? Name me one fighter that GSP has faced before than is mentally stronger than Anderson or has a better skill set in one area aside form wrestling?
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While I disagree with your prediction, it's yours and I won't pick at it. However, this line gets to me. This is where people are ruining fighting. You don't make a mistake by taking a fight you might lose. Careers are build upon taking fights you might lose. You think Ali went in against Frazier the second time and thought there was no chance he'd lose again? He had a huge chance to lose that one, and it pretty much made him the man he became. You think Nick Diaz was the favourite going in against Robbie Lawler? He had next to no chance on the cards, and if he did it was by submission. Instead, he knocked him out. Although his career took a bit longer to pan out, it was a huge moment for him and what was ahead.

It's not a mistake taking a fight and losing. Losing is part of the game. Everyone loses at some point. If someone takes a fight of this magnitude, nobody "loses", but someone becomes the greatest. Right now, the greatest is split between GSP and Anderson Silva. Okay, maybe AS gets the title quite a lot but basically, if GSP beats Condit, it will get closer again and there will be no "greatest". You think (for this thread) Anderson Silva should be happy to be "maybe" the best? No, he wants to be the best, and I'm sure every fighter would be happy to step up and lose, becoming the second greatest, over not stepping up and getting a joint placement.
I suppose it just depends on one's perspective. For instance Fedor took on Henderson to ensure a win and keep his record good. Big mistake. He gained nothing from a victory over Henderson a natural middleweight. And he lost everything. GSP is a much smaller guy, and everyone expects Anderson to run through him. Problem is, GSP is better than anyone at middleweight he's faced in the aspect of the game were Anderson is weakest. GSP doesn't get submitted. He has the best TD in MMA. The best guard pass in mma. He's got very good standup defense. He's incredibly strong, perhaps the strongest WW in mma. On top of this, Fedor did not have to cut weight. Anderson will have to, and has not performed well and lighter weights (at least not as well as he has at MW).

It's not a good career move. I think he's likely to lose this one, and possibly lose it badly. If GSP can take him down, it's going to be a long embarrassing night for Anderson. If GSP can trade with him and avoid serious damage like Sonnen, ditto.

OTOH, Anderson would have much more success at LHW. He'll have his speed advantage, he'll have his energy. Now Jones is also a terrible matchup for him, but he will have his speed advantage, to be sure, and Jones doesn't have the same explosive GSP takedown. Personally I think he has a better chance against Jones. Wow, that even seems crazy to me and I just wrote it, but that's how I see it if I'm honest with myself. I think the dude will regret this decision, if GSP shakes his hand.

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I'm a GSP supporter as well as Anderson.

But if you ask me Andersons power in his strikes is the deciding factor here. I see Silva winning this fight via stoppage.

IMO Anderson is gonna be way too much for Georges.
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Oh wow! So Silva is taller? Oh then never mind! There's no way GSP can beat a taller fighter.
Did I say there is no way for him to win? All I'm saying is Anderson will most likely kick his ass and knock him out, and this is coming from a huge GSP fan.

Obviously there is always a chance for an "upset". But if I had to bet my house on this fight, you can bet your ass I would be betting on Silva, because based on all their fights, size differences and all the other factors, Silva would be a much safer bet.
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I suppose it just depends on one's perspective. For instance Fedor took on Henderson to ensure a win and keep his record good. Big mistake. He gained nothing from a victory over Henderson a natural middleweight. And he lost everything. GSP is a much smaller guy, and everyone expects Anderson to run through him. Problem is, GSP is better than anyone at middleweight he's faced in the aspect of the game were Anderson is weakest. GSP doesn't get submitted. He has the best TD in MMA. The best guard pass in mma. He's got very good standup defense. He's incredibly strong, perhaps the strongest WW in mma. On top of this, Fedor did not have to cut weight. Anderson will have to, and has not performed well and lighter weights (at least not as well as he has at MW).

It's not a good career move. I think he's likely to lose this one, and possibly lose it badly. If GSP can take him down, it's going to be a long embarrassing night for Anderson. If GSP can trade with him and avoid serious damage like Sonnen, ditto.

OTOH, Anderson would have much more success at LHW. He'll have his speed advantage, he'll have his energy. Now Jones is also a terrible matchup for him, but he will have his speed advantage, to be sure, and Jones doesn't have the same explosive GSP takedown. Personally I think he has a better chance against Jones. Wow, that even seems crazy to me and I just wrote it, but that's how I see it if I'm honest with myself. I think the dude will regret this decision, if GSP shakes his hand.
Okay, say everything goes as such and Anderson loses. Why was it bad for him? Anderson will no longer have the "but what about GSP" thing following him around. As I said, for someone so legacy driven, Silva would prefer to be the 2nd greatest of all time rather than the joint first (if it was a fight that could have been made). I think win or lose this is an amazing oppertunity for these guys. A once in a lifetime fight that can't be passed up. Do you think George Forman regrets fighting Ali?

I can't get my head around your scenario though. "Anderson Silva has a better chance against Jones than GSP". I can't understand that in any aspect.

Vs GSP, I think it will be easy for GSP to get a takedown at some point. He's not like Chael Sonnen however. Chael rushes you, puts you off and gets you down (if you have Silva's questionable TDD). GSP likes to work his way in. His takedowns are planned out and not rushed. All the while, he's standing up with by a mile the best stand up fighter to have ever walked on the planet (Bruce who?). It's the distance which I see is the key factor here. How does GSP get in without being touched? He will be left on the outside for a while, and as Vitor Belfort will tell you it's very easy for you to nudge yourself into range. GSP doesn't have the Dan Henderson style of getting in close and threatening with the H-Bomb. AS will give zero respect to GSP's striking, so I don't think he will even get near AS after a while, and it eventually ends with a great knockout.

Vs Jones, I see things going very different. As much as it kills me, I have Jones winning. Anderson gives away a lot as Jones is basically suited for HW. I think Jones keeps his jab out, lands some shots, and if it gets closer, he catches Anderson off guard by switching to a grappling/wrestling style. Although, it's still a stand up fight and it's still Anderson Silva. It's very easy to see AS coming up with something, getting his range right etc. He might be able to do a super version of Machida's strategy. He could stay on the outside and bring Jones in. If he lands leg kicks and beats jim to the punch or whatever, it might annoy Jones and make him come in more aggressive, where we see a Griffin x2 knockout for Silva.
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