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Old 09-12-2012, 06:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Perhaps there are more injuries since the UFC and commission started random drug testing and cracking down on PED use
I was thinking this same thing. I hate to see all the changes going on, and the cancellations and such, but I don't expect fighters to fight injured either.

Maybe every event needs to have alternates at all the weight classes for that event on stand-by so if an injury occurs the show can be saved. And if these alternates were identified when the fight was booked, then the opponents would know in advance who they could be fighting in the case of an injury. It would also give the alternates more notice to be ready.

I don't know, I'm just reaching for solutions here. The injuries are getting so frequent, something has to be done.
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Maybe more job security so they are not so afraid of fighting at less than 100%, losing, and worried that they might get cut.

Note: I have no idea if this is an actual issue regarding the prevalence of cancelled fights. It's just a thought.
I agree. That right there IMO might have other effects, as well. (another being "safe/boring fight plans")
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Playing it cool, but Dana White is pulling his hair out i assure you.
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I never want to see a fighter fight with a serious injury. It's things like that that will always leave a "?" in our heads. Like the silva/sonnen 1 fight compared to the 2nd.

I want to see fighters fight at the best of their ability. If they can fight through the injury, then sure, no harm no foul. But if its a foot injury or a hand injury.. NO!!!
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Fighters fighting injured isn't good either. So no, the answer is not remove the health insurance.
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:03 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Ironically that same thought crossed my mind mentioned by the OP. It's the business in me that was doing the talking. In reality that would make the entire organization take a step back. The best approach would be to add reasonable clauses as mentioned in my earlier post. Preventive measures are always the best. There's positive and negative reinforcements that can be applied here.

Sign the contract, fight injured or whatever ailment you have and get an automatic bonus OR cancel and the UFC deducts their fight purse. Simple. With nothing at stake fighters will continue to pull out. Again it doesn't have to be too drastic. Just enough to get the point across. The UFC is still in a learning curve.

I just hope Dana has a heart monitor cuz he must deal with some serious stress on a daily basis.
I feel that screws over the fighters as well though.

I was thinking they try to educate the fighters about safety and preventative measures for training adequately. Most of these guys aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, but I feel informing them of preventative measures and educating them about training science and recovery principles will help them.

So, what I'm saying is the UFC implements an educational seminar to inform fighters of training safety and proper precautions. They also should keep tab on those who pull out of fights and give a 3 strikes rule. You pull out once, warning, you pull out twice, potential cut from the organization, you pull out 3 times you are cut from the organization for negligence.
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Maybe every event needs to have alternates at all the weight classes for that event on stand-by so if an injury occurs the show can be saved. And if these alternates were identified when the fight was booked, then the opponents would know in advance who they could be fighting in the case of an injury. It would also give the alternates more notice to be ready.
Best idea in the thread. Fair to everyone and would solve a lot of problems.
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I was thinking they try to educate the fighters about safety and preventative measures for training adequately. Most of these guys aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, but I feel informing them of preventative measures and educating them about training science and recovery principles will help them.

So, what I'm saying is the UFC implements an educational seminar to inform fighters of training safety and proper precautions. They also should keep tab on those who pull out of fights and give a 3 strikes rule. You pull out once, warning, you pull out twice, potential cut from the organization, you pull out 3 times you are cut from the organization for negligence.
I don't know much about MMA training, but when I see this high of an injury rate I know they're doing it wrong. Really, this is still a young sport and the optimal method for training for an MMA fight hasn't been quite mastered yet. I suppose there are parallels in boxing? You certainly don't see as many injuries there.

The UFC might benefit in doing research and hiring experts or supervisors to monitor the camps of main event fighter's prior to a fight. I remember Joe Rogan saying how stupidly some of these camps are run, with a room full of guys wrestling when Jake Sheilds has a championship fight and is right in the mix of all these guys.

There really needs to be a smarter way to train here, this camp be the best way they've figured out, because the injuries levels have reached retarded.
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I don't know much about MMA training, but when I see this high of an injury rate I know they're doing it wrong. Really, this is still a young sport and the optimal method for training for an MMA fight hasn't been quite mastered yet. I suppose there are parallels in boxing? You certainly don't see as many injuries there.
MMA is just more dangerous and makes people more prone to injuries in training. In boxing you cannot do much wrong. Headgear + 16oz gloves protect you pretty well against cuts even if you go full force. In boxing you don't have massive impact on fragile joints like with low kicks against a knee or ankle. There is no danger of hyperextension of joints like in submission grappling - with a heel hook i.e. if you don't tap fast enough and the other guy isn't letting go fast enough it's just a couple of millimeters from just pain to real damage. There is no throwing, so it is very unlikely to fall unluckily. So boxing training is really much safer compared to MMA training.

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The UFC might benefit in doing research and hiring experts or supervisors to monitor the camps of main event fighter's prior to a fight. I remember Joe Rogan saying how stupidly some of these camps are run, with a room full of guys wrestling when Jake Sheilds has a championship fight and is right in the mix of all these guys.
That's true. That's plain dumb. Rashad Evans lost his chance for a title fight against Rua that way, because some other guy fell into him so he got injured.
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