Originally Posted by SideWays222
He doesnt show great head movement. He doesnt show great foot work. He doesnt show great technical and crisp punches. He doesnt show great power.
Which means he has "Okay" boxing.
What he does show and he does this really well is use his reach and is able to throw weak punches in bunches without the opponent getting much of a chance to retaliate.
Which works fine against alot of opponents. But for instance BJ Penn is someone who ACTUALLY has great boxing and while BJ was fresh he was able to use his superior boxing and get the better of Diaz. Then BJ gassed and Nick was able to do what he does best.
But hey if you want to pretend that Nick Diaz shows "great" boxing then that is fine.
Lets say i agreed that he does have great boxing... what then???
He still cant outstrike Anderson Silva with it..
So the point of our discussion does not chance one bit whether i agree with you or disagree with you about Diaz.
Anyway i guess since you backed out of a discussion because i disagreed with you there was no point in me making this post. Il see ya around Retarded.
(I kid i kid)
Well you would definitely be wrong then. Rich Franklin who is a big and strong MW got tossed around by Anderson. What in the world could Diaz do???? Diaz going up to 180 is still going to be signicantly smaller then Anderson going DOWN to 180. Since these guys put on between 20-40 pounds after the weigh ins. Diaz would stay around 180 while Anderson would be 200+
"okay" boxers don't get personally invited to spar with some of the best boxers in their own sport. Do you think Migel Cotto invited Diaz over to help prepare for an upcoming fight because he thought it would be a laugh? No, Migel Cotto invited Diaz over to help spar and train with him because he and his camp recognise that he is a damn good boxer. This is Migel Cotto we're talking about here. I've never heard of a world class boxing talent like that invite other MMA fighters over to help with their preparation before, ever.
"Okay" boxers don't KO world class, devastating strikers like Paul Daley. "Okay" boxers don't beat the likes of BJ Penn to a bloody pulp. But yea, BJ just gassed, just like all of Nick's opponents. Nick doesn't deserve the credit, they just gas out and lose because of that.
Whilst Nick may lack head movement and have footwork deficiencies, he makes up for that with relentless combinations and I; not talking about 1-2-3 combo's but 10-11-12 punch combinations. And varied punches also, no one works the body-head in MMA quite like Nick Diaz. The fact of the matter is, his pressure boxing is second to none and he's managed to best some of the most devastating strikers in the sport with that tool.
But please, by all means, keep telling yourself that Nick is an "okay" boxer, when he;s complimented by the likes of Andre Ward and invited to sparring camps with the likes of Migel Cotto.
I'm not even sure why I'm trying to converse with you because I've seen the way you act towards every other member on this forum. You're abrasive for no apparent reason and don't take no for an answer. Good luck n life with that attitude mister.
Originally Posted by osmium
A guy with zero footwork who trudges forward throwing a bunch of punches not caring about defense isn't posing any problems to one of the best counter strikers in the history of the sport. The entire fight would be Diaz face planting until he could no longer stand.
A quote from you in the Diaz/Penn discussion. I'm sure you thought BJ was going to steam roll Nick and he had no chance to beat him too, right? Keep underestimating him and he'll keep proving you wrong.
For the record I don't think Diaz would beat Anderson, but I think given his never quit attitude and relentless pressure boxing, we'd actually have a hell of a fight on our hands.
You guys should have a read of this three part tecnical blog on Nick's striking. It's a great read: