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View Poll Results: What did you think of the flyweight title fight?

Great Fight 26 23.64%
It was good but not great. 33 30.00%
Indifferent, it was filler 21 19.09%
Wasn't very entertaining or exciting 23 20.91%
Complete Garbage 4 3.64%
I was busy watching Strawberry Shortcake reruns. 3 2.73%
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:14 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Yours is an opinion. The same as everyone elses. You just dress yours up in elitist bs.
I still don't see an argument for why this fight is not entertaining or relevant to certain 'fight fans' like yourself. It was fast paced, varied non stop action, technical and both guys had great moments. To me that's the definition of a good fight.

I did see the neg rep and prick comment though, guess that confirms your distaste for any form of skilled warfare.

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Old 09-23-2012, 06:21 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I still don't see an argument for why this fight is not entertaining or relevant to certain 'fight fans' like yourself. It was fast paced, varied non stop action, technical and both guys had great moments. To me that's the definition of a good fight.

I did see the neg rep and prick comment though, guess that confirms your distaste for any form of skilled warfare.

I have laid out my argument multiple times in this thread. At least once was in response to you personally so I will not do so again. I...

You know what? You're not worth wasting anymore of my time on. You want to be an elitist prick. Go ahead. I'm just going to ignore you.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:26 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I got no problems with the weight, being smaller does not mean they cant stand in the pocket and bang - boxing has showed us this over the years. Its just these two didnt really do that, Benadivez wasnt landing and Johnson didnt attempt a single move that had a chance of finishing the fight...he was point fighting and Benavidez couldnt do anything about it. Nothing wrong with it, wasnt a great fight though.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:02 PM   #84 (permalink)
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I know I'm a bad person but I just can't take those little guys seriously.

Even when they do something technically impressive, it just looks like two little kids running around in a jungle gym.
HA - probably the best comment I've read, but I think there's sadly a bit of truth to it.

These guys have all the skill in the world, but when I see people smaller than me (I'm pretty tiny) fighting I can't help but laugh a bit.

This is one topic that the MMA world seems to be split down the fence on. Unfortunately most of the little guys look like they are throwing muffins at each other. They are quick as hell, but theres a definite lack of power behind the attacks in general - I can't remember the last time I saw a KO that "wowed" me at 145 or below. I don't see any difference between a fight at 125 and 145.

As mentioned, it's tough for me watching these fights when you are sure that 9/10 will be point fights, with no chance of a KO. The odd fight will have a tko/submission, but if you look back historically, there aren't many KOs, and a hell of a lot of decisions.

I've often heard MMA as being called the "fast food" of combat sports (compared to boxing) -- the sport draws a lot of fans who want to see a violent, quick fight. Point fighting doesn't appeal to a large chunk of MMA fanbase. I don't think it's wrong or right, that's the way the sport and fanbase have evolved, and a champion like GSP has taken a lot of flak for what people would consider point fighting, but yet a fight like this gets people screaming FOTY.

I think the biggest problem was the UFC jumped the gun a little bit. Within a very short time frame 3 new divisions were created - all that offer a very similar viewer experience/product.

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I have laid out my argument multiple times in this thread. At least once was in response to you personally so I will not do so again. I...

You know what? You're not worth wasting anymore of my time on. You want to be an elitist prick. Go ahead. I'm just going to ignore you.
The Elitist Prick stuff won't be tolerated if you can't have an intelligent debate then quit debating it.

This is a well laid out argument below that is the first I have seen that didn't simply sound along the lines of being about the two being midgets/small children. I just struggle to understand the viewpoint of most who didn't like it because it seemed like most of those who did not enjoy it disliked it because of the size of the guys in the cage like had they just been two random fighters on youtube for some random org and they didn't know how big the guys were it would have been so much better. I have not seen a single person say they expected a better fight or have I seen anybody who said they were disappointed by the fight. The flyweights put on a great fight but it seems most of the people with a negative point of view simply feel its impossible for flyweights to put on a good fight no matter what they did.
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I got no problems with the weight, being smaller does not mean they cant stand in the pocket and bang - boxing has showed us this over the years. Its just these two didnt really do that, Benadivez wasnt landing and Johnson didnt attempt a single move that had a chance of finishing the fight...he was point fighting and Benavidez couldnt do anything about it. Nothing wrong with it, wasnt a great fight though.
The single post I have seen with somebody negatively critiquing the fight without making weight an issue. Strongly disagree but well thought out post none the less.

I will say standing in the pocket would have been a mistake for Johnson because Benadivez would have come out on top had Demitrious tried playing that game.
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I still don't see an argument for why this fight is not entertaining or relevant to certain 'fight fans' like yourself. It was fast paced, varied non stop action, technical and both guys had great moments. To me that's the definition of a good fight.

I did see the neg rep and prick comment though, guess that confirms your distaste for any form of skilled warfare.

Because a lot of people predicted this to be a 5 round points fight from the start.

A lot of people simply aren't interested in watching somebody the size of a 15 year old fight.

A lot of people just aren't wowed -- including myself.

It's not a right opinion, or a wrong opinion, it's a product that doesn't interest many fans, and you can either accept that as reality, or get into pissing matches on forums. The former would cause a lot less stress.

I highly doubt that this poll is statistically represantitive of anything... but only 24% put this fight in the great category. 29% thought it was good. It's bascially a 50% / 50% split (great/good vs. the rest). From the forums I visit, that's pretty much what I expected, as the MMA world has been on the fence with the addition of the 125, 135 and 145 divisions from day 1.

What worries me is that this is the top level talent at 125, yet you have fans split 50/50 on the issue. The UFC has a lot of work to sell these smaller classes to a large chunk of their fans.

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The single post I have seen with somebody negatively critiquing the fight without making weight an issue. Strongly disagree but well thought out post none the less.

I will say standing in the pocket would have been a mistake for Johnson because Benadivez would have come out on top had Demitrious tried playing that game.
I have always said its on the person losing the fight to force it into the type of fight they can win - Johnson was winning, it was his fight..it was all on Benadivez but he wasnt able to force a fight out of Johnson bar in that 4th round.

I was more sticking up for the flyweights with that comment - we will get plenty of flyweights who want to stand and trade, which will get some great fights out of the division.
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The Elitist Prick stuff won't be tolerated if you can't have an intelligent debate then quit debating it.
He is being that so I called him on it. You did it too. So I called you on it too.

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This is a well laid out argument below that is the first I have seen that didn't simply sound along the lines of being about the two being midgets/small children. I just struggle to understand the viewpoint of most who didn't like it because it seemed like most of those who did not enjoy it disliked it because of the size of the guys in the cage like had they just been two random fighters on youtube for some random org and they didn't know how big the guys were it would have been so much better. I have not seen a single person say they expected a better fight or have I seen anybody who said they were disappointed by the fight. The flyweights put on a great fight but it seems most of the people with a negative point of view simply feel its impossible for flyweights to put on a good fight no matter what they did.
I critiqued the technique of the fight. I'm not a huge fan of the lower weight classes but that didn't impact me judging the fight. I've laid out twice in this thread why I did not like the fight and it had nothing to do with size.
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I liked it, I thought it was fast paced and technical and there was the big moment in the fourth where Joseph rocked him and almost subbed him. Demeterious is something else though, would love to see him and Dodson go at it.

That said, the fight aside how on earth anyone could have given that to Joe is beyond me.
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I liked it, I thought it was fast paced and technical and there was the big moment in the fourth where Joseph rocked him and almost subbed him. Demeterious is something else though, would love to see him and Dodson go at it.

That said, the fight aside how on earth anyone could have given that to Joe is beyond me.
That is what I was thinking. I was rooting for Joe B the whole time but I was surprised to hear it was a split decision.
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