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#1 ·
to the newly crowned chanpions in recent months? I am talking about

Jon Jones
Ben Henderson
and now Johnson

All newly crowned Champions that were met with a mixed reception from so called mma fans. Ppl labeled both DJ/mcall as "awesome wars" until the results were read, then it became a miscarriage of justice? Both henderson's wins over edgar were met with a groans/hiss from fans.Many wont even acknowledge hes champion.Now we have a flyweight fight that was the typical below lw type fight.There was nothing in saturdays fight that was dissimilar to cruz/faber fight.Yet mma fans were gushing over the later and booing the former? why is that..Has jones ever had a painstakingly boring fight? like ever? yet this guy is starving for cheers?

What is it about these new school of champions that suddenly has mma fans up in arms and handing in their UFC viewership :confused:
 
#4 ·
this may have got started off on the wrong foot...lol

For me - JBJ is a smug, cocky, prick of a human being. I've stopped watching any and all interviews with him, because I want to smash him in the face with a hammer every time he opens his mouth.

As for the other 2, I didn't realize they were getting a lot of hate. I think it probably has more to do with the fact that a lot of people aren't interested in the 125-145 divisons.
 
#3 ·
While I do enjoy his fights - Jones has drawn a lot of negative attention to himself lately, starting with his DUI and ending with the cancellation of UFC 151 (Not saying he's solely to blame, but he was a part of the whole deal)

Hendo, btw I'm a big fan of his, people seem to dislike and the resentment is slightly misplaced in my view. He won the first fight with Edgar pretty convinsingly IMO, and the second fight was very, very close. People seem to dislike him because there's an argument that he lost the second fight, but they forget that the judges score the fights, not the fighters themselves, hence the misplaced recentment.

As for Mighty Mouse, who hasn't taken to him? I know some people didn't enjoy last night's fight and some did (Me included) - but I still think he's well liked by most MMA-fans.
 
#9 ·
While I do enjoy his fights - Jones has drawn a lot of negative attention to himself lately, starting with his DUI and ending with the cancellation of UFC 151 (Not saying he's solely to blame, but he was a part of the whole deal)
For me the DUI was a huge piss-off.

The UFC tried to sell him as some angel, god-boy when he stopped a thief before his UFC 128 fight (there's actual video segment on UFC.ca called "Jon Jones: To Catch a Thief").

Where's the video segement called "Jon Jones: How to get a DUI"?

Of course I wouldn't expect anything more from the UFC than to hype their champion up the first chance they get, and bury any negative press about him.

I don't care about the cancellation of UFC 151, but I'm sure the people who thought they were going to see a UFC event were pissed. I personally can't blame a fighter for not accepting a fight on short notice. Great if they do, but to hate on him for it isn't right to me.

I just don't like him cause I think he's a cocky douche.
 
#5 ·
I like Jon Jones.

I hate Ben Henderson.

And I'm indifferent to Mighty Mouse, I like his fights but I'm not a fan or anything, but guess what, I do like JOHN DODSON, HE'S BLACK!!!!
 
#6 ·
Johnson - I get the impression those who dislike him wouldn't have liked Benavidez either, some people hate the division.

Henderson- A) Comes off a little preachy with the religous thing. B) his whole swager manerisms come off kinda cocky. C) People don't think he beat Frankie Edgar or loved Frankie Edgar.

Jones- The guys is a god damn cheat code for MMA. Come on be honest the first guy you made when got Undisputed for Xbox was Jon Jones, he likely wasn't named Jon Jones and he didn't look like Jones hell he may not have even been a LHW but it was Jones. You made a tall guys with absurd reach and gave him a strong wrestling base. After that you gave him a bunch of real nasty super moves like spinning back fists and elbows, superman punches and sidekicks. Nasty GNP, good ground game. You know why Superman isn't as popular as the Avengers,X-Men, Batman or Spiderman? Vulnerabilities and adversity. Jones is Superman he seems to have every freaking super power.
 
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#14 ·
I don't necessarily "dislike" Jones, but if I had a list of top fighters that I would love to see KO'd, he would be right at the top of the list - for the whole UFC 151 situation.

Ben lost to Edgar, Edgar was robbed, not Ben's fault therefore I don't "dislike" Ben either, but I call a spade a spade and Ben should have lost that fight.
But u were fine with forrest win over rampage or lyoto's over shigun right?
As for Mighty Mouse, I'm completely indifferent, I honestly couldn't care less about him or his division.
fair enough
 
#7 ·
I don't necessarily "dislike" Jones, but if I had a list of top fighters that I would love to see KO'd, he would be right at the top of the list - for the whole UFC 151 situation.

Ben lost to Edgar, Edgar was robbed, not Ben's fault therefore I don't "dislike" Ben either, but I call a spade a spade and Ben should have lost that fight.

As for Mighty Mouse, I'm completely indifferent, I honestly couldn't care less about him or his division.
 
#15 ·
I don't necessarily "dislike" Jones, but if I had a list of top fighters that I would love to see KO'd, he would be right at the top of the list - for the whole UFC 151 situation.

Ben lost to Edgar, Edgar was robbed, not Ben's fault therefore I don't "dislike" Ben either, but I call a spade a spade and Ben should have lost that fight.
But u were fine with forrest win over rampage or lyoto's over shigun right?fair enough
Actually I thought Rampage/Forrest could have gone either way, and at first I did think Lyoto won a very close decision but that opinion has changed since seeing it a few more times.
 
#12 ·
I hate jones for the same reasons many do. (basically, his mouth & ego)

I'm actually fine with Bendo, altho the preachy crap is annoying. (I don't watch his interviews or anything tho, so that helps) I normally dig his fights, so hey. :]

MM = OK in my book. Squirrel-y little dude. :]
 
#69 ·
Jon Jones kicks ass but praises god, hypocritically smashes cars, and pussied out of a fight with a fat middleweight. He also beat everyone LHW fighter, no matter who that is, because he cleaned out the division. Love him inside the ering, kinda a turd outside.

Bendo: where is this hate? I have't seen it. He took some flack for being preachy post fight and a lot of people are upset with the judges but I haven't seen anyone ripping into Bendo like some were with Jones.

And again, whi hates Mighty Mouse? Most people just don't care about the division and would not have cared who won.



I still hate Hughes. Hated him ever since he acted like a 12 year old bully on his TUF season.


In which way? It's disliking a guy for his personal life.

The majority of people would see cheating as worse than drunk driving anyways.

I dont think there is anything wrong with disliking a fighter for his personal life. Matt Hughes is a bully, a racist, and jesus freak. Just a few of the reasons I always hoped he lost in the ring.

Sonnen is a dirt bag criminal who only cares about himself and selling a bullshit brand that is himself. Sonnen has the added bonus of being boring as all hell in the ring. So I double hate him.
 
#31 ·
I like watching all three of them compete but Edgar won that fight and should be the champ right now. Mighty Mouse is the only one I actively root for though because of the blandness and overly religious nature of Bendo and Bones is just a trainwreck from a personality standpoint and uses somewhat dirty tactics at times.
 
#38 ·
WTF is wrong with the quote system?
A ways back Kreed misedited a quote and lost a set of brackets and everyone keeps quoting him or post of people who quoted him and the whole thing is now out of order.
 
#37 ·
I don't put too much weight in what fighters do outside the cage unless its a chronic thing like an alcoholic or drug user. Jon Jones made a mistake with the DUI, other than that I don't care if he's cocky, smug or whatever have you call it.

I watch these guys for what they do inside the ring, and I'm entertained by JBJ, and its funny how people rag on JBJ for his DUI and other stuff, but I guarantee you some of the same people like some of the other fighters who have similar problems.
 
#39 ·
People rooted for Bones to win the belt from Shogun. Since then the success got a little to his head and the cockiness came out. Now people know he's one of the best in the world, and they're rooting to see someone dethrone him.

Bendo is kind of "just there", hard to really like or dislike him. Nobody cares about Flyweights, has nothing to do with MM.
 
#40 ·
jones has all the fans he needs. im a fan of fights, after that its all meh to me.

i enjoy watching some of bendo's fights and a good deal of mighty mouses fights as well.

fans still pay to see jones, whether you like jones or not, you talk about him and pay attention to him he makes more money, directly and indirectly.

im sure a guy like demetrious and that fly div will catch on, it just will take some time.

and lol, i get the feeling thats not what the op feels is the reason.

oh i get it-its because their black right?
 
#42 · (Edited)
Henderson - I like him. Don't know why some people don't. The problem with the Edgar fights is that they were draws. Sure they were scored wins, and the scoring was legit, but there was no advantage at the end of either fight. Go to another round, no one can say who'd win. They both had cardio, both had standup, both had ground game. Except for the fact that the loser would probably be crippled for life, I'd like to see those to fight oe round, no time limit, til somebody wins by knockup or sub.

NOTE: He needs to fight Pettis again

Jones - He does come off as arrogant, but I don;t have a problem with that. He risks permanent injury for a living. However, nothin' against him, but he's done with this division. He could be champ for ten years. The only guy with a chance was Rashad, because of the knowledge factor, but that ran both ways. Kudos to Belfort for at least hurting him. (I don't mean that in an I'm-glad-he's-injured way, but in a at-least-he-threatened-him way.)

I'm not saying it's time for him to move up, but his brothers are NFL defensive linemen. Unless he's the runt of the litter, he can put on a few pounds.

Mighty Mouse - give it time. It wasn't that long ago the UFC wouldn't risk trying to sell LIGHT-weight. Now Jose Aldo is a must see. Give the little dudes a chance to rip a few arms off. Fans will come around.
 
#44 ·
Personally;

Jon Jones - I think he's a dick, ace fighter though.
Ben Henderson - irks me, don't like the bible bashing really but as a person not much dislike to be honest, seems decent enough and I love watching him fight.
Johnson - mad love for Mighty Mouse

I didn't have time to read all of this at the moment, just wondering the discussion was as racially motivated as I think it will have been?
 
#45 ·
It's cos they're black, the answer you want to hear OP, and the answer that's increasingly becoming hard to deny. There's other factors at work as well, but those same factors are conveniently written off for popular white fighters.

America loves to think it's race baggage is all in the past, but there is a lot of subconscious or low key racism still around.

Yeah bones is so arrogant, yet Sonnen is "a lovable rogue" for 10x the arrogance + cheating, and Henderson is a "legend" even though he's a 40 yr old using a TRT loophole and hid his injury but shares no blame for 151.

Yeah bones committed drunk driving, extremely stupid but fortunately he hurt no one. But some freak called "Mask" Lewis in face paint gets completely sloshed, recklessly DRUNK STREET RACES his porche with a female passenger next to him, kills himself and leaves the girl in the ER and what happens? Nationwide mourning and induction into the UFC HOF! For a guy that wore face paint and sold T-Shirts leaching off MMA's popularity without having fought a day. Yeah his death was tragic but what he did was MUCH WORSE than what jones did, yet he is a great example and some sort of martyr?

Don King was a crook and uneducated bum, but Dana is a shrewd and amazing businessman, who "speaks his mind", and in shafting the fighters pay wise he's just building mma.

Bendo sucks because he "didn't really win" that second split decision clearly, even though that's the judges call not his, but Forrest was the "people's champ" for his crappy pillow punching decision over Rampage, and no one holds any of the dozens of other split decisions against the winners.

Anderson is the GOAT, but his PPV buyrate is the lowest of all champs until the great white hope comes around to challenge him with steroids.

Rashad is virulently hated for hardly any reason, until they finally found a blacker guy to hate more than him and cheer him against.

Rampage is loved but only as long as he plays the chain wearing thug stereotype that likes to commit black-on-black crime.

And yes, the Johnson fight is awesome until the decision is announced and now everyone hated it.

I used to not want to believe this kind of stuff, but too many coincidences, it is what it is.
 
#46 ·
It's cos they're black, the answer you want to hear OP, and the answer that's increasingly becoming hard to deny. There's other factors at work as well, but those same factors are conveniently written off for popular white fighters.


America loves to think it's race baggage is all in the past, but there is a lot of subconscious or low key racism still around.
Ignorance...

Yeah bones is so arrogant, yet Sonnen is "a lovable rogue" for 10x the arrogance + cheating, and Henderson is a "legend" even though he's a 40 yr old using a TRT loophole and hid his injury but shares no blame for 151.
A lot of people see it this way because Sonnen is always like this where Jones tried so hard to be someone he wasn't. He was arrogant, but he tried to make it seem as if he was the nicest person in the world. He also says things that just show that he really does put himself on a pedestal.

Yeah bones committed drunk driving, extremely stupid but fortunately he hurt no one. But some freak called "Mask" Lewis in face paint gets completely sloshed, recklessly street races his porche with a female passenger next to him, kills himself and leaves the girl in the ER and what happens? Nationwide mourning and induction into the UFC HOF! For a guy that wore face paint and sold T-Shirts leaching off MMA's popularity without having fought a day. Yeah his death was tragic but what he did was MUCH WORSE than what jones did, yet he is a great example and some sort of martyr?
It is quite different when someone actually passes away from it. Do you seriously think everyone white person just gets a free DUI pass? Do you seriously think no black person has been mourned greatly after killing himself in a drunken crash?

Don King was a crook and uneducated bum, but Dana is a shrewd and amazing businessman, who "speaks his mind", and in shafting the fighters pay wise he's just building mma.
This is the worst comment in your whole rant or whatever you want to call it. Dana White and Don King being compared is ridiculous.

Bendo sucks because he "didn't really win" that second split decision clearly, even though that's the judges call not his, but Forrest was the "people's champ" for his crappy pillow punching decision over Rampage, and no one holds any of the dozens of other split decisions against the winners.
Edgar/Bendo was very close....Rampage was limping around the octagon after the Forrest fight. Edgar/Bendo was closer by a long shot.

Anderson is the GOAT, but his PPV buyrate is the lowest of all champs until the great white hope comes around to challenge him with steroids.
And Frankie Edgar's ppv rate was the highest evar bc he was white. Give me a break.

Rashad is virulently hated for hardly any reason, until they finally found a blacker guy to hate more than him and cheer him against.
Rashad is hated by a lot of people because of his arrogance. The way he walks and talks and even the way he fights just looks cocky. (I am a Rashad fan)

Rampage is loved but only as long as he plays the chain wearing thug stereotype that likes to commit black-on-black crime.
You are just babbling nonsense at this point.

And yes, the Johnson fight is awesome until the decision is announced and now everyone hated it.
What?

I used to not want to believe this kind of stuff, but too many coincidences, it is what it is.
:confused03:

All done in this thread.
 
#51 ·
Really? You staff guys make me sick! :hug:

Back on topic, Kreed, I asked you a question yesterday twice and you didn't reply - we understand you think these fighters aren't treated fairly, but you have not given your reason as to why that is.

Why do you think they are not treated as well as other champions?
 
#52 ·
Jon Jones - I'm glad LHW has a dominant champion, unfortunately it appears to have broken the will of a weakly-spirited division. I like Jon more now that he's just trying to be himself. It is a 'coming of age' thing and totally understandable. He is an exciting fighter/finisher and worth the PPV money. I also liked him getting called out by Big John for playing games.

Ben Henderson - I love a champion with a black belt in Tae Kwon Do :) I'm a fan of the guy but since his move to the UFC level of competition he hasn't been able to figure out how to finish fights. I expect a champion to be a finisher.

Johnson - An amazingly talented fighter in a division I just can't get fired up about. I think he's an eloquent and respectful champion and I appreciate that. Sky is the limit for him... pun intended.
 
#53 ·
Why should I have to separate Jon Jones the fighter from Jon Jones the man who committed a DUI? I absolutely loathe when people make the asinine claim that his drinking and driving should be of no consequence to me as a fan. What piss poor reasoning. You people have obviously never lost someone to a drunk driver, that much is clear. My best friend growing up was killed by some schmuck who decided to get behind the wheel of a car drunk, so what gives you the right to make those types of comments to anyone? I can damn well judge Jon Jones, and anyone who makes such a stupid decision.

Mask was an idiot, as well. I have no sympathy for that man, and it was justice that he took himself out before he could kill someone else.
 
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