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Old 09-23-2012, 11:29 PM   #41 (permalink)

 
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why hasnt this affected gsp? why didnt boxing fans care when tyson was going through this same dominance?
I don't know about boxing or Tyson but GSP has not been destroying and decimating guys the way Anderson has, he also has the Serra loss that shwoed vulnerability.
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why do mma fans have such a hard time marveling at anderson's virtuosity and his horrendous fights with Leites and Maia.How can these fights be still be used as a crutch to hate him after his performances against sonnen, okami, belfort or forrest..[/quote[ Ander people turned in to him against Forrest and Vitor (UFC 126 did 725,000 thats huge)
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how many times have we seen wrestlers take him down.With analysts playing up the narrative that he has weak TDD.Yet hes still undefeated in the ufc.Any other fighter and that would be enough but once AS disposes of a wrestler after the fact suddenly they were never good enough
your horribly exagerating peoples view of Anderson Silva.
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neither has rich franklin really but a large part of the ufc core audience acted like these fighters shit didnt stink
And lots act like Anderson's don't, thing is that Franklin never gave anyone a reason to dislike him ever.
true but u cant say edgar received the same amount of vitriol bendo did after his controversial title victory[/quote]But Edgar didn't use his exposure as a pedastal to preach his religious beliefs.
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:36 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Henderson - I like him. Don't know why some people don't. The problem with the Edgar fights is that they were draws. Sure they were scored wins, and the scoring was legit, but there was no advantage at the end of either fight. Go to another round, no one can say who'd win. They both had cardio, both had standup, both had ground game. Except for the fact that the loser would probably be crippled for life, I'd like to see those to fight oe round, no time limit, til somebody wins by knockup or sub.

NOTE: He needs to fight Pettis again

Jones - He does come off as arrogant, but I don;t have a problem with that. He risks permanent injury for a living. However, nothin' against him, but he's done with this division. He could be champ for ten years. The only guy with a chance was Rashad, because of the knowledge factor, but that ran both ways. Kudos to Belfort for at least hurting him. (I don't mean that in an I'm-glad-he's-injured way, but in a at-least-he-threatened-him way.)

I'm not saying it's time for him to move up, but his brothers are NFL defensive linemen. Unless he's the runt of the litter, he can put on a few pounds.

Mighty Mouse - give it time. It wasn't that long ago the UFC wouldn't risk trying to sell LIGHT-weight. Now Jose Aldo is a must see. Give the little dudes a chance to rip a few arms off. Fans will come around.

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Old 09-24-2012, 06:42 PM   #43 (permalink)
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While I do enjoy his fights - Jones has drawn a lot of negative attention to himself lately, starting with his DUI and ending with the cancellation of UFC 151 (Not saying he's solely to blame, but he was a part of the whole deal)

Hendo, btw I'm a big fan of his, people seem to dislike and the resentment is slightly misplaced in my view. He won the first fight with Edgar pretty convinsingly IMO, and the second fight was very, very close. People seem to dislike him because there's an argument that he lost the second fight, but they forget that the judges score the fights, not the fighters themselves, hence the misplaced recentment.

As for Mighty Mouse, who hasn't taken to him? I know some people didn't enjoy last night's fight and some did (Me included) - but I still think he's well liked by most MMA-fans.

I'm with you here.

Jones- has brought most of the backlash on himself. Deactivate the twitter account Bones!! That, and the whole turning down a fight fiasco; that's just a personal dislike of mine. I do not think it captures what attracted many of the "hardcore" fans to the sport.

Henderson - doesn't seem to get much hate - the most annoying thing I see in him is the spiritual angle. That is another personal dislike, but I love to watch him fight.

Johnson - One fight, spectacular or terrible is not enough to gauge the average fan base. It was for a title and ate a co-main event spot on a less than stellar (promotionally speaking) card. Once the division gets more depth and more exposure, it will likely pick up.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:58 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Jon Jones - I think he's a dick, ace fighter though.
Ben Henderson - irks me, don't like the bible bashing really but as a person not much dislike to be honest, seems decent enough and I love watching him fight.
Johnson - mad love for Mighty Mouse

I didn't have time to read all of this at the moment, just wondering the discussion was as racially motivated as I think it will have been?
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It's cos they're black, the answer you want to hear OP, and the answer that's increasingly becoming hard to deny. There's other factors at work as well, but those same factors are conveniently written off for popular white fighters.

America loves to think it's race baggage is all in the past, but there is a lot of subconscious or low key racism still around.

Yeah bones is so arrogant, yet Sonnen is "a lovable rogue" for 10x the arrogance + cheating, and Henderson is a "legend" even though he's a 40 yr old using a TRT loophole and hid his injury but shares no blame for 151.

Yeah bones committed drunk driving, extremely stupid but fortunately he hurt no one. But some freak called "Mask" Lewis in face paint gets completely sloshed, recklessly DRUNK STREET RACES his porche with a female passenger next to him, kills himself and leaves the girl in the ER and what happens? Nationwide mourning and induction into the UFC HOF! For a guy that wore face paint and sold T-Shirts leaching off MMA's popularity without having fought a day. Yeah his death was tragic but what he did was MUCH WORSE than what jones did, yet he is a great example and some sort of martyr?

Don King was a crook and uneducated bum, but Dana is a shrewd and amazing businessman, who "speaks his mind", and in shafting the fighters pay wise he's just building mma.

Bendo sucks because he "didn't really win" that second split decision clearly, even though that's the judges call not his, but Forrest was the "people's champ" for his crappy pillow punching decision over Rampage, and no one holds any of the dozens of other split decisions against the winners.

Anderson is the GOAT, but his PPV buyrate is the lowest of all champs until the great white hope comes around to challenge him with steroids.

Rashad is virulently hated for hardly any reason, until they finally found a blacker guy to hate more than him and cheer him against.

Rampage is loved but only as long as he plays the chain wearing thug stereotype that likes to commit black-on-black crime.

And yes, the Johnson fight is awesome until the decision is announced and now everyone hated it.

I used to not want to believe this kind of stuff, but too many coincidences, it is what it is.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:38 PM   #46 (permalink)
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It's cos they're black, the answer you want to hear OP, and the answer that's increasingly becoming hard to deny. There's other factors at work as well, but those same factors are conveniently written off for popular white fighters.


America loves to think it's race baggage is all in the past, but there is a lot of subconscious or low key racism still around.
Ignorance...

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Yeah bones is so arrogant, yet Sonnen is "a lovable rogue" for 10x the arrogance + cheating, and Henderson is a "legend" even though he's a 40 yr old using a TRT loophole and hid his injury but shares no blame for 151.
A lot of people see it this way because Sonnen is always like this where Jones tried so hard to be someone he wasn't. He was arrogant, but he tried to make it seem as if he was the nicest person in the world. He also says things that just show that he really does put himself on a pedestal.

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Yeah bones committed drunk driving, extremely stupid but fortunately he hurt no one. But some freak called "Mask" Lewis in face paint gets completely sloshed, recklessly street races his porche with a female passenger next to him, kills himself and leaves the girl in the ER and what happens? Nationwide mourning and induction into the UFC HOF! For a guy that wore face paint and sold T-Shirts leaching off MMA's popularity without having fought a day. Yeah his death was tragic but what he did was MUCH WORSE than what jones did, yet he is a great example and some sort of martyr?
It is quite different when someone actually passes away from it. Do you seriously think everyone white person just gets a free DUI pass? Do you seriously think no black person has been mourned greatly after killing himself in a drunken crash?

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Don King was a crook and uneducated bum, but Dana is a shrewd and amazing businessman, who "speaks his mind", and in shafting the fighters pay wise he's just building mma.
This is the worst comment in your whole rant or whatever you want to call it. Dana White and Don King being compared is ridiculous.

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Bendo sucks because he "didn't really win" that second split decision clearly, even though that's the judges call not his, but Forrest was the "people's champ" for his crappy pillow punching decision over Rampage, and no one holds any of the dozens of other split decisions against the winners.
Edgar/Bendo was very close....Rampage was limping around the octagon after the Forrest fight. Edgar/Bendo was closer by a long shot.

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Anderson is the GOAT, but his PPV buyrate is the lowest of all champs until the great white hope comes around to challenge him with steroids.
And Frankie Edgar's ppv rate was the highest evar bc he was white. Give me a break.

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Rashad is virulently hated for hardly any reason, until they finally found a blacker guy to hate more than him and cheer him against.
Rashad is hated by a lot of people because of his arrogance. The way he walks and talks and even the way he fights just looks cocky. (I am a Rashad fan)

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Rampage is loved but only as long as he plays the chain wearing thug stereotype that likes to commit black-on-black crime.
You are just babbling nonsense at this point.

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And yes, the Johnson fight is awesome until the decision is announced and now everyone hated it.
What?

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I used to not want to believe this kind of stuff, but too many coincidences, it is what it is.


All done in this thread.
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Please remember that there are better places to discuss issues of race - that is not what this board and thread are for.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:45 PM   #48 (permalink)
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A lot of people see it this way because Sonnen is always like this where Jones tried so hard to be someone he wasn't. He was arrogant, but he tried to make it seem as if he was the nicest person in the world. He also says things that just show that he really does put himself on a pedestal.



It is quite different when someone actually passes away from it. Do you seriously think everyone white person just gets a free DUI pass? Do you seriously think no black person has been mourned greatly after killing himself in a drunken crash?



This is the worst comment in your whole rant or whatever you want to call it. Dana White and Don King being compared is ridiculous.



Edgar/Bendo was very close....Rampage was limping around the octagon after the Forrest fight. Edgar/Bendo was closer by a long shot.



And Frankie Edgar's ppv rate was the highest evar bc he was white. Give me a break.



Rashad is hated by a lot of people because of his arrogance. The way he walks and talks and even the way he fights just looks cocky. (I am a Rashad fan)



You are just babbling nonsense at this point.



What?





All done in this thread.
I'm 99% sure he was being sarcastic because the OP is often called out for making racist comments/threads/baiting others about the subject.
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Regardless of sarcasm or whatever trolls should not be fed. Back on topic
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1. They're all new champions.

2. Some people still can't accept that these new champions beat up their favorite fighters and earned it.

3. Some people can't separate what a fighter is in the cage from what they are outside the cage. (Jones)
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