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Old 09-24-2012, 07:03 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Really? You staff guys make me sick!

Back on topic, Kreed, I asked you a question yesterday twice and you didn't reply - we understand you think these fighters aren't treated fairly, but you have not given your reason as to why that is.

Why do you think they are not treated as well as other champions?
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:05 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Jon Jones - I'm glad LHW has a dominant champion, unfortunately it appears to have broken the will of a weakly-spirited division. I like Jon more now that he's just trying to be himself. It is a 'coming of age' thing and totally understandable. He is an exciting fighter/finisher and worth the PPV money. I also liked him getting called out by Big John for playing games.

Ben Henderson - I love a champion with a black belt in Tae Kwon Do I'm a fan of the guy but since his move to the UFC level of competition he hasn't been able to figure out how to finish fights. I expect a champion to be a finisher.

Johnson - An amazingly talented fighter in a division I just can't get fired up about. I think he's an eloquent and respectful champion and I appreciate that. Sky is the limit for him... pun intended.
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Why should I have to separate Jon Jones the fighter from Jon Jones the man who committed a DUI? I absolutely loathe when people make the asinine claim that his drinking and driving should be of no consequence to me as a fan. What piss poor reasoning. You people have obviously never lost someone to a drunk driver, that much is clear. My best friend growing up was killed by some schmuck who decided to get behind the wheel of a car drunk, so what gives you the right to make those types of comments to anyone? I can damn well judge Jon Jones, and anyone who makes such a stupid decision.

Mask was an idiot, as well. I have no sympathy for that man, and it was justice that he took himself out before he could kill someone else.
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You're angry at Jon Jones because your friend was hit by a drunk driver?....
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It's cos they're black, the answer you want to hear OP, and the answer that's increasingly becoming hard to deny. There's other factors at work as well, but those same factors are conveniently written off for popular white fighters.
Perhaps. Though the other train of thought is that you're simply blowing things out of proportion. As is Kreed. Jon Jones caught some flak for blowing the UFC 151 card, and rightfully so. Heat would have come down on virtually any title holder who made that same decision. The fans were already showing him love after he submitted Vitor, and will continue to 'get over it' moving forward.

As for Henderson and Johnson, where is this mass hatred for both fighters? Because a handful of posters rant online about his close bout with Edgar, I'm to believe that this equates to widespread hatred throughout the MMA universe? Until I see Henderson and Johnson booed at their next weigh-in/PPV, I'm inclined to believe that there's no legitimate and widespread hatred there.

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Yeah bones is so arrogant, yet Sonnen is "a lovable rogue" for 10x the arrogance + cheating, and Henderson is a "legend" even though he's a 40 yr old using a TRT loophole and hid his injury but shares no blame for 151.
Plenty of people hate Chael Sonnen. Pretending as though he's an American hero is stretching the truth to support your perspective, and nothing more. Sonnen has as many detractors and non-fans as Jon Jones, if not more. That is, quite simply, the truth.

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Yeah bones committed drunk driving, extremely stupid but fortunately he hurt no one. But some freak called "Mask" Lewis in face paint gets completely sloshed, recklessly DRUNK STREET RACES his porche with a female passenger next to him, kills himself and leaves the girl in the ER and what happens? Nationwide mourning and induction into the UFC HOF! For a guy that wore face paint and sold T-Shirts leaching off MMA's popularity without having fought a day. Yeah his death was tragic but what he did was MUCH WORSE than what jones did, yet he is a great example and some sort of martyr?
Mask was as much an idiot as Jones. Though I have to imagine that if Jon had perished, there would have been widespread mourning. I personally don't care about the well being of any individual who drinks and then drives. That's all I'll say on this matter.

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Don King was a crook and uneducated bum, but Dana is a shrewd and amazing businessman, who "speaks his mind", and in shafting the fighters pay wise he's just building mma.
Dana White gets critiqued, judged, and essentially crapped on quite often. There's literally a thread going on this second talking about how bad he is for the sport.

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Bendo sucks because he "didn't really win" that second split decision clearly, even though that's the judges call not his, but Forrest was the "people's champ" for his crappy pillow punching decision over Rampage, and no one holds any of the dozens of other split decisions against the winners.
Again, 'Bendo sucks' according to a handful of posters online. You'll find those same pockets of persons slandering GSP, Silva, Jones, and virtually any fighter. I don't see how that equates to global, or even substantial dislike for Henderson.

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Anderson is the GOAT, but his PPV buyrate is the lowest of all champs until the great white hope comes around to challenge him with steroids.
Anderson hurt himself when he decided to act a clown against Leites and Maia. People aren't going to pay 50 dollars for those types of performances. Chael certainly breathed life into the division and championship scene, but I'm sure that has more to do with all of the smack-talk and drama than it does his colour of skin. Just as many people ordered Sonnen vs. Silva to see Sonnen get his arse handed to him.

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Rashad is virulently hated for hardly any reason, until they finally found a blacker guy to hate more than him and cheer him against.
People disliked Evans because he was arrogant and disrespectful. The man practically told Forrest to suck him off during their fight. Though you'll find now that several have grown fond of him, as he's a lot more down to earth these days. I think it more a case of people disliking arrogant fighters. Matt Hughes and Michael Bisping, for example, catch more heat than any fighter you've mentioned, and yet we conveniently seem to be ignoring this.

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Rampage is loved but only as long as he plays the chain wearing thug stereotype that likes to commit black-on-black crime.
Rampage is loved when he isn't crying, bickering, or slandering the company that virtually kept him out of prison. I used to love Rampage, but then he became a bitter crybaby. His race has nothing to do with it. He whines incessantly.

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And yes, the Johnson fight is awesome until the decision is announced and now everyone hated it.
Again, where are these masses that are hating on Johnson and his win? Please point them out to me, because I've seen very little to indicate that this isn't a completely bogus claim.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:27 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I don't get that either, Jones should be judged for what he does in the ring and what he does in the ring only.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:32 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Where did I say I was angry at Jones? I said that I'm perfectly entitled to think less of him as a person for his DUI offence. That he 'didn't hurt anyone' doesn't excuse his crime or his actions, and simply shrugging it off as though it does is a cop out. Tiger Woods gets raked over the coals and has his career destroyed for having an affair, but Jon Jones is forgivable despite putting himself in a position to threaten the lives of others? Come on now.

It doesn't change my opinion on Jon Jones the fighter. He's a once in a lifetime talent. Jon Jones the man, however, is not my type of guy.

And is it really so difficult to fathom that someone who has lost a close friend or family member to a drunk driver might have a lesser opinion of those who drink and drive? Am I really being asked to justify this?
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I don't get that either, Jones should be judged for what he does in the ring and what he does in the ring only.
I mean sure, he's a dick in an interview, then that's understandable. But the DUI is so far out of MMA. It's like hating a fighter for cheating on their girlfriend.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:38 PM   #60 (permalink)
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No... it's not even remotely the same as that.
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