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post #91 of 99 (permalink) Old 09-27-2012, 09:50 PM
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Why are people comparing this with leg locks and armbars? A strike and a hold are completely different. Stop using such a stupid argument.

I personally don't like the kick. It can injure a fighter too easily. I'd hate to see a main event, or any fight for that matter, end because of it. That being said, I won't fault Jones for using it. It is perfectly legal and he can use it as much as he wants until it gets banned. I'm just waiting for the day where it ends a fight and Dana goes on a tirade to get it banned. It has ended fights in other orgs so it's definitely possible.

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post #92 of 99 (permalink) Old 09-27-2012, 11:00 PM
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Except the damage done to the knee is instant. You can tap out after sure but the damage is already done.

And the comparison you are trying to make is down right sad. You cant possibly be that thick headed??

And im the moron.....

You are the one that doesnt see the difference between tapping while in an armbar and tapping before even getting hit or not entering the octagon.


If you couldnt tap out of a submission until your arm breaks or dislocates. THEN you would have a point. But im sure you are too thick headed to use logic.

Using your comparison means that fighters should tap out BEFORE being put in submissions. That would be the same as someone tapping due to strikes without actually being hit.

But again.. you are too F****** ****** to use your head.
You never said anything about when to tap, I was using the Bones armbar as reference. He was damaged and he didn't tap. Vitor was damaged by leg kicks, yet he didn't tap. Sure, that comparison doesn't apply to most fights, but it applies directly to the one in question. Simply put, it's a fight, you will receive damage, you either fight with it or you don't.

Anyways, it's pretty stupid for everybody to keep whining about dangerous techniques being used in a fight. Come on, what kinda fight would it be if the techniques used weren't dangerous?
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post #93 of 99 (permalink) Old 09-27-2012, 11:35 PM
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Can we not nerf MMA please? I'm sure it is going to happen eventually. Every sport starts out more dangerous such as american football for example. They used to go out their with the bare minimum of protection and now they're loaded with pads (for good reason considering the incredible power most of these athletes possess) but now defensive players get penalties if they so much as tap the QB a second after he throws the ball whether its intentional or not. I'm sure 10 years from now we'll be seeing some sort of padding around competitors knees and elbows to avoid cuts and a slew of more illegal moves such as the technique rampage brings up. Lets just enjoy the lack of rules as long as we can.
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post #94 of 99 (permalink) Old 09-27-2012, 11:44 PM
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When this technique was looked at by the ABC, both doctors who made a statement said linear kicks to the knee weren't especially dangerous. And one of them was an orthopedist, so knees should be an area of expertise for that doctor.

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You know what? I LOVE the technique. You know when you look at a move and you think "Shit, that was horrible", that's the best feeling when watching a fight. Travis Browne's knockout of Struve was siiiiiiick, and Mir's kimura on Nog was proper horrifying, but at the same time that's what makes MMA what it is. If the technique is deemed too dangerous and is banned, alright, I suppose the doctors had their say, but now I want to watch every single legal technique stretched to the absolute max.

And as a Jones "hater" and Vitor "fanboy", I have to say, what the fuk are people pissed off at the leg kicks and not the fact that Vitor tried to boot the dudes skull off? Completley biased guys dropping opinions in here.

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Here's what I was talking about:

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Based on a letter from Nelson "Doc" Hamilton, the committee discussed this issue which seemed to garner attention due to UFC 97 and its Anderson Silva-Thales Leites fight. Profato opened by stating that he thought linear strikes to the knee joint should be banned and Mazzulli agreed. Foster stated that contestants skill levels are progressing annually and that we need to protect the contestants.

Lembo suggested that this maneuver be banned in the amateurs, but allowed in the pro ranks. Lembo stated that this type of kick is difficult to land and is able to be defended by checking or movement. Lembo stated that kicks to the side of the knee joint seem to cause worse injuries. Lembo added that we allow strikes to the head and eyes which could cause worse injuries.

Dr. Wulkan stated that from a purely medical standpoint, kicks to the side of the knee joint while the leg is planted are more dangerous and could cause worse injuries. Dr. Wulkan stated that the leg usually must be straight, not bent to increase more serious injury risk from linear knee joint strikes. Dr. Wulkan stated that other types of kicks can be thrown with more power and cause more damage.

Erickson asked what combative sports disallow this maneuver. It was noted that these kicks are not allowed in kick boxing but that is due to the fact that kicks below the waist are not allowed.

Kizer stated that there are ways to defend this offensive technique which occurs directly in front of the competitor. Kizer read from a statement from a NAC consulting orthopedic physician who stated that he did not see the need to ban this technique and saw other allowable techniques which could be more damaging from an injury standpoint.

Foster stated that Anderson Silva is an anomaly. Foster stated there is not enough data on this rarely utilized technique. Kizer reminded that each Commission can require more restrictive rules if desired and Foster stressed the need for uniformity. The Committee unanimously agreed that it be suggested that linear strikes to the knee joint be banned in the amateurs but remain unchanged at this point in time in the pros.
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So both doctors said there were more damaging allowable techniques. It looks bad, but I don't think that is a good reason to ban a move.

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How many people are actually saying the move should be banned???

It seems very few people ACTUALLY have that opinion and yet people are jumping the gun and think everyone that thinks something negative about it is also saying it should be banned.
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How many people are actually saying the move should be banned???

It seems very few people ACTUALLY have that opinion and yet people are jumping the gun and think everyone that thinks something negative about it is also saying it should be banned.
Not so much in this thread, but there are plenty of people who consider it somehow too dangerous here, based on seemingly no evidence.

Though I will say lots of people on other sites do seem to want it be made illegal. Lines like, "all it does is injure" get tossed around a lot despite Jones using them constantly to control a fight and not injuring anyone with it.

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As I said,

Jones = Injured
Vitor = Not Injured
Number of Kicks = 10+
Number of Armbars = 1

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