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Old 09-25-2012, 09:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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When Anderson first used that technique there was a debate about whether or not it should be legal.

I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We saw earlier in the night a guy get his leg jacked up by a knee bar which essentially does the same thing. You can kill someone by punching them in the head the same can't be said for kicking them in the knee.
This exactly.

Yes, let's whine about the dangers of front kicks to the lower thigh/upper knee in a sport where people are allowed to explode people's foreheads opens with knees and elbows.

Tear their knees and legs apart with heel hooks, and leave their arm dangling by their side Mir-Nog or Aoki-Hirota style.

This is even funnier coming from WAAAAAHmpage who has spiked and powerbombed multiple people and could've put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Doesn't matter how much you use it, the intent is there. Do it 5 times or 50 times, really shouldn't matter besides the fact that he's done it.
And why not??

Using it once in order to keep your opponent guessing is different then trying to mess someones knee up so they cant walk. I would rather someone hits my knee once rather then 20x. There is a much better chance of my knee being messed up if someone hits it 20x.

I dont know who creates these "That doesnt matter blah blah blah" rules.




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It is amusing how you mitigate the likelihood of damage with leg submissions by assuming logical preventative measures on the part of the opposing fighter but don't apply that same reasoning to these kicks.

Yes, one of the things I am asserting is the fact that the damage that can be done by blows to the head is more life altering and potentially life ending.

As far as kneebars and heelhooks are concerned I am saying two things.

1. The damage potential and likelihood is greater in a vacuum with the submissions.

2. Attempting to harm your opponents legs is an accepted and integral part of MMA thus the strike in question can't be unsportsmanlike on the grounds that it damages the legs.

Wrong.

Someone gets me in a heel hook or knee bar i have time to tap out before any serious damage is done.

Some kicks my knee in backwards, it is going to cause damage instantly. I can tap out after all i want to but the damage is done.


And i would 1000x over rather have someone punch me in the face then kick my knee backwards. You know why??? Because kicking the knee backwards is more dangerous then getting punched in the face.
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It will be illegal eventually would be my guess. Not that someone shouldn't try to win a fight using every legal technique or anything but it will injure someone during a fight and will be disallowed after that imo.
First of all, you are wrong. People have been injured taking outside leg kicks too, should those be banned?


Secondly you are wrong again, someone already got stopped by a front kick to the knee and it still hasn't been banned.
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I think Rampage could have a better chance the 2nd time going around, i think he would still lose, but he would do the next contender a favor by showing some of jons weakneses. Im sure hendo took a good look at that fight.


Does anyone think the rampage that fought hendo is the best rampage ever?
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First of all, you are wrong. People have been injured taking outside leg kicks too, should those be banned?


Secondly you are wrong again, someone already got stopped by a front kick to the knee and it still hasn't been banned.
Like i said before i think it should be legal.

But

You dont think that Jones doing it constantly is bringing more attention to the technique???? More so then the finish you are talking about.??

Just like for example the greasing thing. It has happened before plenty of times in the past and no one even spoke about it. Then GSP does it and all of the sudden its a huge deal and new rules need to be created.

Now i dont know which way the whole kicking the knee backwards thing is going to take. But i do know that just because someone has been stopped by it already does not mean its not going to get any attention in the future.
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And why not??


Wrong.

Someone gets me in a heel hook or knee bar i have time to tap out before any serious damage is done.

Some kicks my knee in backwards, it is going to cause damage instantly. I can tap out after all i want to but the damage is done.


And i would 1000x over rather have someone punch me in the face then kick my knee backwards. You know why??? Because kicking the knee backwards is more dangerous then getting punched in the face.
You may be able to tap out in time. My point was it isn't like there aren't preventative measures to mitigate the damage of those kicks.

It doesn't matter what you would prefer I am stating facts about the inherent dangers.

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Like i said before i think it should be legal.

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You dont think that Jones doing it constantly is bringing more attention to the technique???? More so then the finish you are talking about.??

Just like for example the greasing thing. It has happened before plenty of times in the past and no one even spoke about it. Then GSP does it and all of the sudden its a huge deal and new rules need to be created.

Now i dont know which way the whole kicking the knee backwards thing is going to take. But i do know that just because someone has been stopped by it already does not mean its not going to get any attention in the future.
It got attention after Anderson did it and was reviewed by the ABC. They decided that it was legal and should remain so. If someone got injured by it I wouldn't put it past the people in power to overreact and make it illegal but I don't think that to be the most likely outcome.
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Anyone think Rampage vs. Meathead could actually happen? That interview had me laughin quite a bit when Matt called in to the show. I'm down to watch this for sure. Haha, headhunting for 90 seconds and then they both gas. Be fantastic as an exhibition, if not for 'mma purists', and I'm sure superb technique may not be on display, but I say sign this. It'd be fun.
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You may be able to tap out in time. My point was it isn't like there aren't preventative measures to mitigate the damage of those kicks.

It doesn't matter what you would prefer I am stating facts about the inherent dangers.
You are not stating the facts properly.

Obviously getting punched in the face is dangerous. But dying from a punch to the face is alot less likely to happen then damaging my knee if someone kicks it in backwards.

Which is why when i quoted you i told you it has more to do with "How likely" it is to happen. Rather then all the possibilities that can happen.

And what are these preventive measures the rules have in place to prevent serious injury from getting the knee kicked in backwards???

If you are talking about the defensive measures a fighter can take to avoid being hit in the knee then thats like me saying "A fighter can take defensive measures to not be put in a knee bar". OR a fighter can move his head in order to not be killed by a punch.

Obviously these defensive measures arnt the same as there being RULES in place in order to not take severe injury. Such as being able to tap out before suffering any real injuries during submissions.
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It's a matter of rules. As long as they are allowed it's a moot point to complain about him doing them. In other martial arts such a technique is illegal because of the danger of long term damage.

In the unified MMA rules it's allowed so far, but maybe if there are cases of severe injuries it's going to be changed. It's not like everything is allowed in MMA. Low blows are forbidden in most MMA rules, soccer kicks or any kicks to a grounded opponent have been made illegal in the unified rules, so the legality of straight kicks to the knee is not necessarily written in stone.
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Like i said before i think it should be legal.

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You dont think that Jones doing it constantly is bringing more attention to the technique???? More so then the finish you are talking about.??

Just like for example the greasing thing. It has happened before plenty of times in the past and no one even spoke about it. Then GSP does it and all of the sudden its a huge deal and new rules need to be created.

Now i dont know which way the whole kicking the knee backwards thing is going to take. But i do know that just because someone has been stopped by it already does not mean its not going to get any attention in the future.

Considering he's been doing it for the last 2 years now....no.
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