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Old 09-25-2012, 08:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rampage: "You respect him by kicking his knee backwards?"

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“Vitor took the fight on short notice, and this is how you respect him, by kicking his knee backwards and stuff like that? He’s supposed to be a man of God. You can injure somebody, you can sever their career. You can mess people up for life kicking their knee back like that and he does it repeatedly, over and over. To me that has no honor. I take a lot of honor in fighting. He has no honor… [Jones is] fake. I don’t agree with his fighting style. I think I could beat Jon Jones. I know I can beat him. Jon Jones is the type of of guy you have to fight twice.”

I kinda see where Rampage is coming from but then at the same time im a believer in "You should do anything you can to win a fight".

But the knee kicking thing is certainly an extremely dangerous technique. You can easily ruin someones life forever by doing that. Not everyone is willing or CAPABLE of adding such a brutal technique in to their arsenal.

Jon Jones is obviously a violent guy inside the octagon and wants to win at any cost. I certainly cant blame the guy for it. I just wish he would be as honest outside of the octagon as he is inside of it.


But lets be real...

Other then a punchers chance Rampage has nothing on Jones. BUT he did show some serious take down defense in their fight. Jones struggled taking Rampage down.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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When Anderson first used that technique there was a debate about whether or not it should be legal.

I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We saw earlier in the night a guy get his leg jacked up by a knee bar which essentially does the same thing. You can kill someone by punching them in the head the same can't be said for kicking them in the knee.
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Pretty sure I've seen Anderson do this once in a while, and no one ever brings it up when he does it.
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When Anderson first used that technique there was a debate about whether or not it should be legal.

I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We saw earlier in the night a guy get his leg jacked up by a knee bar which essentially does the same thing. You can kill someone by punching them in the head the same can't be said for kicking them in the knee.
Yeah but i think it has more to do with "How likely" that is to happen rather then what can happen.

If everyone was capable of applying that technique like Jones is then there would be some really severe knee injuries unlike the whole "You can kill someone by punching them".


And anyway im not against it. I think Jones has every right to use it.

But im not going to act stupid and pretend i dont see why its dangerous.




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Pretty sure I've seen Anderson do this once in a while, and no one ever brings it up when he does it.
Yeah i have too.

But i also THINK that Jones used it in 1 fight more often then Anderson has through his whole career.

Dont quote me on that because im just going by memory.
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Yeah but i think it has more to do with "How likely" that is to happen rather then what can happen.

If everyone was capable of applying that technique like Jones is then there would be some really severe knee injuries unlike the whole "You can kill someone by punching them".


And anyway im not against it. I think Jones has every right to use it.

But im not going to act stupid and pretend i dont see why its dangerous.
It is more likely that your knee gets severely injured by kneebars and heelhooks. Should Rousimar stop using those because he is able to do them better than others? How does that make sense? This complaint would only be valid if there was some understanding between competitors that you don't try to damage your opponents legs and the opposite is true.
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Rampage does'nt stand a chance against Jones and he really needs to shut his stupid mouth.

Rampage after Jones' next fight...."Hey guys Jones should take it easy with his elbows to his opponents head just in case he hurts somebody".

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It is more likely that your knee gets severely injured by kneebars and heelhooks. Should Rousimar stop using those because he is able to do them better than others? How does that make sense? This complaint would only be valid if there was some understanding between competitors that you don't try to damage your opponents legs and the opposite is true.
If Palhares is in play then the rate of injuries goes up.

But normally in an MMA fight someone is going to tap before severe knee injuries happen.

So knee bars arnt even a close comparison.

And most people find Palhares to be a retard anyway.


Quiet frankly im not even sure what you are trying to argue??? That kicking the knee straight in is no more dangerous then a punch to the head or a knee bar?? You must realize thats wrong obviously...
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Yeah i have too.

But i also THINK that Jones used it in 1 fight more often then Anderson has through his whole career.

Dont quote me on that because im just going by memory.
Doesn't matter how much you use it, the intent is there. Do it 5 times or 50 times, really shouldn't matter besides the fact that he's done it.
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It will be illegal eventually would be my guess. Not that someone shouldn't try to win a fight using every legal technique or anything but it will injure someone during a fight and will be disallowed after that imo.
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If Palhares is in play then the rate of injuries goes up.

But normally in an MMA fight someone is going to tap before severe knee injuries happen.

So knee bars arnt even a close comparison.

And most people find Palhares to be a retard anyway.


Quiet frankly im not even sure what you are trying to argue??? That kicking the knee straight in is no more dangerous then a punch to the head or a knee bar?? You must realize thats wrong obviously...
It is amusing how you mitigate the likelihood of damage with leg submissions by assuming logical preventative measures on the part of the opposing fighter but don't apply that same reasoning to these kicks.

Yes, one of the things I am asserting is the fact that the damage that can be done by blows to the head is more life altering and potentially life ending.

As far as kneebars and heelhooks are concerned I am saying two things.

1. The damage potential and likelihood is greater in a vacuum with the submissions.

2. Attempting to harm your opponents legs is an accepted and integral part of MMA thus the strike in question can't be unsportsmanlike on the grounds that it damages the legs.
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