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Old 09-30-2012, 07:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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If you say Anderson has a weakness, someone is quick to jump up and say he doesnt. Anderson has pretty weak TDD and isn't great off his back. He's still the greatest of all time.
Not like that from my end, man. I just think it's just two ways of saying the same thing. I said wrestling is far the worse part of Anderson's game, no doubt about it, but I can't say he absolutelly sucks on that based on Hendo(powerful wrestler) and Lutter(mainly a heavy greco/grappler)fights. He sure showed lack of confidence by grabbing Sonnen's shorts to avoid TD, but later he stuffed TDs not grabbing shorts, showing he has trained to do so.

Back to Jones/Machida.
Jones is evolving as Machida is as well. It's not accurate to say any of them have the other already all figured out. Different fight, different story(not necessarily different result, though)

Jones's holes?
1- Submissions. He was caught BIG TIME by Vitor. He was seconds away from losing his title and did get away with desperation and raw power over technique.

2-LEG KICKS. I want to see somebody ferociously kick his base.

That's my bet.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:55 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Not like that from my end, man. I just think it's just two ways of saying the same thing. I said wrestling is far the worse part of Anderson's game, no doubt about it, but I can't say he absolutelly sucks on that based on Hendo(powerful wrestler) and Lutter(mainly a heavy greco/grappler)fights. He sure showed lack of confidence by grabbing Sonnen's shorts to avoid TD, but later he stuffed TDs not grabbing shorts, showing he has trained to do so.
The takedowns that had a high % to take Anderson down he always grabbed the shorts. I remember they were even against the cage and Chael dropped for a shot and Anderson held on to the shorts to simulate underhooks. Without it he would have gotten taken down. But whats done is done.

The only takedown i recall that he stopped legitly (I dont think that is a word) was when Chael shot from a far distance. Which he obviously needed to since every time Chael got close Anderson automatically started holding on to the shorts. And taking someone down while he is holding your shorts is damn near impossible since you cant get low enough because of the barrier the shorts/arms form. Its very hard to break someones grip when they are grabbing the shorts.


And its obvious that Anderson can stop some shots. If Chael had a 100% takedown ratio that would be EXTREMELY impressive and unlikely. But just because Anderson stopped a shot does not mean that his takedown defense isnt weak. Im pretty certain even Stann stopped a shot.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:56 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Oh good, the guy who is 2-3 in his last 5, including a loss to Jones, explaining about how the undefeated guy has holes in his game. Maybe you should worry about the holes in your game there Machida.

And no, Jones is no black belt, he just repeatedly subs black belts.

Of course Jones has holes, nobody is perfect, but it sounds kind of silly coming from Machida at this time.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:59 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Vitor pulled guard so it was pretty obvious he was going to go for a sub. Jones engaged and got caught. That's a pretty big hole and against a better submissionist he might not have been able to avoid it as well. Vitor also didnt continue the attacks. He tried to "hide" the sub instead of threatening with it and thats why he got beat so badly. Against a high level submission fighter Jones probably would have got caught again.



I disagree. To me, everyone who's really went for a takedown on him got it. Lutter and Hendo didnt have any issues getting him down there. Anderson only showed decent TDD in the second round of the Sonnen fight to me.

This is like his submission game to me. If you say Anderson has a weakness, someone is quick to jump up and say he doesnt. Anderson has pretty weak TDD and isn't great off his back. He's still the greatest of all time.
Lutter took 2 flying knees to the face to get those takedowns because he couldn't get them otherwise. Hendo got him down once in the fight. Okami is like 1 for 12 in takedown attempts against him.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Oh good, the guy who is 2-3 in his last 5, including a loss to Jones, explaining about how the undefeated guy has holes in his game. Maybe you should worry about the holes in your game there Machida.

And no, Jones is no black belt, he just repeatedly subs black belts.

Of course Jones has holes, nobody is perfect, but it sounds kind of silly coming from Machida at this time.
Machida mentioned GSP and everyone blasts him. Now he is refocused to Jones...and everyone blasts him. Smh. Machida knows he has holes in his own game, and like every fighter he is working to patch those up, but he's looking at Jones and picking out weaknesses that he can exploit when fighting, as every fighter in the history of combat has done.

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Lutter took 2 flying knees to the face to get those takedowns because he couldn't get them otherwise. Hendo got him down once in the fight. Okami is like 1 for 12 in takedown attempts against him.
Because Anderson didnt get back up against Hendo or Lutter.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:31 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Everyone can see these holes. It's just that Bones found ways to fight without exposing them to his opponents. He tried standing with Machida, realized he can't keep up with the speed and footwork, lost the round and then adjusted accordingly. He was going to nullify Vitor's hand speed by grappling and it worked. Vitor threw a curveball in there when he showed everyone that he's actually a BJJ blackbelt though. Jones is not a perfect fighter, he just fights to the best of his stature and abilities.
well said

im looking forward to the time someone beats him and he has to fight his way back to the title, will make things alot more interesting
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I love it how people are still acting as if Jones got handled on the feet by Lyoto.

He ate one clean punch while he was already off balance throwing a kick. Lyoto never landed anything else on the feet.

The most significant strike landed in that fight was the superman punch that dropped Machida.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:17 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Just because the judges think so doesn't mean it really happened.

Plus the guy who filled in that form doesn't even know how to spell guillotine.
Ummm..., I don't know if that's sarcasm or just very stupid. When 2 of 3 judges think someone won the round, guess what..., THAT SOMEONE WON THE ROUND!!!!
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I don't see how it's important that Jones lost the 1st round. Machida still got taken down, dropped, cut open + bloodied and choked out the following round. Not to mention it's pretty impressive Jones was able to stand with him and hold on his own. Machida is one of the best strikers in the division after all.
It's not important, Bones won the fight. It just annoys the shit out when so many people try to pass off a complete fiction as truth and fanatically stick to it. I've heard 1000 posters and several friends in real life say Bones got dominated in the first, and it's stupid.
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