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post #11 of 37 (permalink) Old 10-03-2012, 06:32 AM
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Calls out lighter weight over the hill Rampage, craps on jones for not fighting Chael, then runs with his tail when offered Cormier.
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This. All these whining hypocrites were out full force with their pitchforks a month ago after 151. Where's all that "I'll fight anyone" talk now douchebag?
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Wow... there is people that cant see the difference in the Mitrione situation and the Jones situation.

In all seriousness.

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Wow... there is people that cant see the difference in the Mitrione situation and the Jones situation.

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Not that different.

This fight is to save a main event heavy card, so was that.

Jones had everything to lose and nothing to gain, so does Mitrione or anyone who steps up on short notice for nothing but a few brownie points with completely ungrateful short-memory fans and boss.

Jones hadn't been training for a guy known for his MMA takedowns, neither has Matt. Jones though had only a week to train specifically for Chael, Mitrione would have more than a month.

The main difference is this fight is being offered around to more than one fighter (imagine that!) and Mitrione isn't being scapegoated. Also Cormier doesn't happen to be the best friend of the guy that mysteriously hid his injury for weeks before pulling out, and also a trash talking douche who didn't deserve the shot in the least, but lets overlook that as well.
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gotta agree with liddellianenko. This is not the same situation as jones/chael but a crap ton of fighters were saying they would fight anyone at anytime for ________(insert reason)

In no way am I saying that this is the same situation but there are still more people on this thread already who are saying that mittrione is smart for thinking about his career and not taking unnecessary risks than anyone standing up for jones even though Jones had nothing to gain and everything to lose where mittrione and other fighters being offered this fight are turning it down even though they have the possibility of a belt and the progression of their careers. Just think it is funny how quickly people turn.

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Not that different.

This fight is to save a main event heavy card, so was that.

Jones had everything to lose and nothing to gain, so does Mitrione or anyone who steps up on short notice for nothing but a few brownie points with completely ungrateful short-memory fans and boss.

Jones hadn't been training for a guy known for his MMA takedowns, neither has Matt. Jones though had only a week to train specifically for Chael, Mitrione would have more than a month.

The main difference is this fight is being offered around to more than one fighter (imagine that!) and Mitrione isn't being scapegoated. Also Cormier doesn't happen to be the best friend of the guy that mysteriously hid his injury for weeks before pulling out, and also a trash talking douche who didn't deserve the shot in the least, but lets overlook that as well.
Like it or not champions have a higher expectation put on them. They are expected to take on the big fights. Jon was in a training camp to fight a wrestler and was offered a wrestler. Jon is also the best fighter in the world at LHW.... anyone they put in front of him is well with in his capability to beat.

Matt is a mid-tier fighter, being offered a shot at a top level fighter who he admits is over his head.

It was Jones card... he was expected to carry UFC 151.... this is not Matt's card... he was simply asked if he would step in.
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Like it or not champions have a higher expectation put on them. They are expected to take on the big fights. Jon was in a training camp to fight a wrestler and was offered a wrestler. Jon is also the best fighter in the world at LHW.... anyone they put in front of him is well with in his capability to beat.

Matt is a mid-tier fighter, being offered a shot at a top level fighter who he admits is over his head.

It was Jones card... he was expected to carry UFC 151.... this is not Matt's card... he was simply asked if he would step in.
Sure champions may have a higher expectation put on them .. don't necessarily agree, they're just fighters and humans like the rest, but I suppose it comes with the territory.

However, hypocrites like Mitrione don't have the right to talk about those expectations and act like they're so much better, because obviously they're not.
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I think Jones should have taken the fight and understand why Mittrione has declined this fight. He should have kept his mouth shut though.

But the situations are completely different.
Chael is a good matchup for Jones. He should handle Sonnen without that many problems. He knows this and has said, that he can beat Chael anytime.
Cormier is a very bad matchup for Mittrione. He says this himself and thinks, that he has no or very little chance of winning. How do you go into a fight, knowing you have nothing for your opponent?

Let's say both Mittrione and Chael have a 10% Chance of winning and look at the risks of taking their fights:

- Mittrione wins 1 out of 10 times (less to lose more to win - huge opportunity)
- Jones wins 9 out of 10 times (more to lose but nothing to win - but champion)
[percentages just as an example, impossible to create realistic numbers ]

-> completely different situations.
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Sure champions may have a higher expectation put on them .. don't necessarily agree, they're just fighters and humans like the rest, but I suppose it comes with the territory.

However, hypocrites like Mitrione don't have the right to talk about those expectations and act like they're so much better, because obviously they're not.
I'll definitely agree with you there.... It's really a case by case situation on whether or not you should take a short notice fight. To make a statement like "i'll fight anyone and where"... you either have to be clinically insane or clinically insane.
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I'd siding with Lidellianenko on this one.

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Wow... there is people that cant see the difference in the Mitrione situation and the Jones situation.

In all seriousness.

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Even if the situation isn't the same, you can't rip someone for not taking a fight, then decline a fight the next month. It make him look like a hypocrite, and if anything, jons reasoning was more legitimate because he had a lot to loose. Mitrione literally has nothing to loose in this fight.
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