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Old 10-02-2012, 04:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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They are not even remotely similar.

First of all Ellenberger wasn't even a high level wrestler in college.

He's a hyper experienced sprawl and brawler with dynamite punching power the dude nearly flattened Condit on his feet for God's sake.

Hendricks has unique skills with the single collar tie clinch and in fighting as well as a huge left hand as a backup to complement his wrestling skills.


And Chad Mendes just sucks. He's just an athletic negative point fighter.



None of them are similar to the other.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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So you just have a problem with wrestling then? It's like saying all these BJJ fighters think they can box because so,e of them stand. It's a terrible statement. You are talking about something that fighters from all disciplines do but are only singling out wrestling.

So when Condit gets out wrestled all night by GSP, can I say look at these generic scrapers coming to the UFC thinking they can wrestle too?

And college boy wrestlers? That is talking about a boatload of Elite fighters. You can hate them all you want but they aren't going anywhere.

You just prefer strikers. It is painfully obvious.


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No, there are plenty of wrestlers I have admiration for. I'm a Cain Velasquez fan, when that guy wrestles, he also ****s you up on the ground. Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Randy Couture back in the day, Tito Ortiz, Benson Henderson, Dan Henderson.... I could go on. I'm a fan of all of those guys, and they are all wrestlers. The difference is they have character, flair, they all have their own unique traits which make them stand out as an MMA fighter.

Jon Jones with his sick trips and vicious elbows. Velasquez with his relentless, ruthless ground and pound, Ortiz with his elbows and GNP from the guard position, Randy's legendary clinch work and dirty boxing. They all have character, they all have flair.

I'm just sick to death of these faceless, bland wrestle-boxers jumping straight from college because MMA is the cool thing to do for youngsters thinking they're going to be champion some day. They have nothing that makes them stand out, nothing for me to root for, they're boring, generic and seem to be over populating the UFC roster. I'm just tired of them.
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They are not even remotely similar.

First of all Ellenberger wasn't even a high level wrestler in college.

He's a hyper experienced sprawl and brawler with dynamite punching power the dude nearly flattened Condit on his feet for God's sake.

Hendricks has unique skills with the single collar tie clinch and in fighting as well as a huge left hand as a backup to complement his wrestling skills.


And Chad Mendes just sucks. He's just an athletic negative point fighter.



None of them are similar to the other.
Where did I ever say high level? I said college frat boy wrestlers.

Ellenberger and Hendricks are virtually the exact same fighter lulz. Two college boy wrestlers with limited boxing technique throwing hay-makers.

You could throw Koscheck in there too, but at least Josh has some flair and charisma at least.
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They are not even remotely similar.

First of all Ellenberger wasn't even a high level wrestler in college.

He's a hyper experienced sprawl and brawler with dynamite punching power the dude nearly flattened Condit on his feet for God's sake.

Hendricks has unique skills with the single collar tie clinch and in fighting as well as a huge left hand as a backup to complement his wrestling skills.


And Chad Mendes just sucks. He's just an athletic negative point fighter.




None of them are similar to the other.
Yes he absolutely sucks, he's only consensus top five but he absolutely sucks.
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Basically all that MMA boils down to is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and brazilian jiu jitsu, with more of a judo influence in Japan. Everyone's using much the same tools, so ranting about "wrestler-boxers" is stupid and weird.
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No, there are plenty of wrestlers I have admiration for. I'm a Cain Velasquez fan, when that guy wrestles, he also ****s you up on the ground. Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Randy Couture back in the day, Tito Ortiz, Benson Henderson, Dan Henderson.... I could go on. I'm a fan of all of those guys, and they are all wrestlers. The difference is they have character, flair, they all have their own unique traits which make them stand out as an MMA fighter.

Jon Jones with his sick trips and vicious elbows. Velasquez with his relentless, ruthless ground and pound, Ortiz with his elbows and GNP from the guard position, Randy's legendary clinch work and dirty boxing. They all have character, they all have flair.

I'm just sick to death of these faceless, bland wrestle-boxers jumping straight from college because MMA is the cool thing to do for youngsters thinking they're going to be champion some day. They have nothing that makes them stand out, nothing for me to root for, they're boring, generic and seem to be over populating the UFC roster. I'm just tired of them.
I don't often agree with this guy, but I see where he's coming from on this.

There's a whole bunch of Koscheck the next generation fighters out there. Athletic wrestlers with a fast power double, a smothering top game. And punching power without much diversity.
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Where did I ever say high level? I said college frat boy wrestlers.

Ellenberger and Hendricks are virtually the exact same fighter lulz. Two college boy wrestlers with limited boxing technique throwing hay-makers.

You could throw Koscheck in there too, but at least Josh has some flair and charisma at least.
Your ability to even process what you are watching is comical.

Typical Tapout shirt wearing obnoxious bar goer who claims to be a "UFC fan".


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No, there are plenty of wrestlers I have admiration for. I'm a Cain Velasquez fan, when that guy wrestles, he also ****s you up on the ground. Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Randy Couture back in the day, Tito Ortiz, Benson Henderson, Dan Henderson.... I could go on. I'm a fan of all of those guys, and they are all wrestlers. The difference is they have character, flair, they all have their own unique traits which make them stand out as an MMA fighter.

Jon Jones with his sick trips and vicious elbows. Velasquez with his relentless, ruthless ground and pound, Ortiz with his elbows and GNP from the guard position, Randy's legendary clinch work and dirty boxing. They all have character, they all have flair.

I'm just sick to death of these faceless, bland wrestle-boxers jumping straight from college because MMA is the cool thing to do for youngsters thinking they're going to be champion some day. They have nothing that makes them stand out, nothing for me to root for, they're boring, generic and seem to be over populating the UFC roster. I'm just tired of them.
Except Randy Couture is nothing more than an early version of say...Mike Pierce, and Ortiz an early version of MANY current fighters.

If you are talking about Jon Jones and Cain Velasquez, they are probably different because they happen to be elite fighters.


Carlos Condit hardly has any unique skills, yet you act like he's some kind of Godsend for MMA.

Same with Erick Silva.

Wow! A really fast aggressive guy with good kicking technique, never seen this before!!
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Your ability to even process what you are watching is comical.

Typical Tapout shirt wearing obnoxious bar goer who claims to be a "UFC fan".




Except Randy Couture is nothing more than an early version of say...Mike Pierce, and Ortiz an early version of MANY current fighters.

If you are talking about Jon Jones and Cain Velasquez, they are probably different because they happen to be elite fighters.


Carlos Condit hardly has any unique skills, yet you act like he's some kind of Godsend for MMA.

Same with Erick Silva.

Wow! A really fast aggressive guy with good kicking technique, never seen this before!!
Your ability to make completely false and inaccurate assumptions on some ones personality based on an internet forum is comical.

A) We don't broadcast the UFC in bars in the UK. For 8 years I have watched almost every UFC event live in my living room from 3am onwards.

B)Tapout shirts are cringe

C)From your general posting behaviour, I'd have to assume that you're a 20 year old freak living in your mothers basement with little to no social interactivity. I bet my expert, online internet assumption is a damn sight more accurate that yours

Now you're comparing Randy Couture to Mike Pierce and Tito Ortiz to many current level generic MMA fighters.

Now that is truly comical. Randy Couture is a multiple time champion and achieved greatness way past an athletes normal prime time years. He was a boss. Completely unique and an iconic MMA figure. Never mention Randy Couture in the same sentence as Mike Pierce ever again, thanks.

Then Tito, an extremely charismatic, entertaining champion who reigned for a long time in his division and signified the importance of ground and pound from the guard position. You're comparing him to average joes in current day UFC.... No.

Randy and Tito are hugely influential icons of this sport of whom paved the way for the current gen fighters.

Carlos Condit has 28 wins with 26 finishes. That's bad ass and makes him entirely unique. Dudes a killer.

Next you'll be saying Shogun Rua is one of the most over rated LHW's of all time and is a coward. Oh wait, you already did that in another thread.

Get out of your Moms basement, breathe in some fresh air and start living in the real world kid.

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If Mike Pierce fought in 2002, he probably would've been a world champion too. Even in the context of his prime, Randy's skillset was nothing spectacular.

Same goes for Tito...especially with Tito.

Also Jake Ellenberger has more knockouts than Carlos Condit, and was about a punch or two away from adding Condit to that list in a fight that should've been NO WORSE than a draw for Ellenberger.


Also Shogun sucks now.

No shit he's overrated. This isn't 2006 and the guy can barely beat Brandon Vera.
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