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Old 10-04-2012, 04:43 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Don't use the word boxer and Charlie Brennenmen in the same sentence.

Time to see old glass chin get cracked by Ben Saunders in Bellator.
Don't ya wish Saunders was good enough to compete in the ufc? His fights are so exciting!!

I once thought charlie would be a good addition, boy was I wrong
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:21 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Jesus really? The guy had two losses
And people wonder why so many fighters fight safe/boring nowadays...

I won't miss him tho. lol
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:38 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Well, on the upside now he's got the chance to face competition he can beat.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:19 AM   #44 (permalink)
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lol this is one of the silliest things I've ever read. How dare they throw punches and use takedowns.

Oblique kicks and saltos only! Sew murch koolah ermagerd

On a sidenote I can't be the only person who laughs every time they see someone use the term 'college boy' as an insult.

****in college boy, think yer better than me? C'mon cleetus get the truck we got ourselves some city slicker college boy thinks he's better than us!
My point is that they aren't very technical when throwing punches and they aren't very good at boxing. These wrestle-boxers stand there throwing looping haymakers most of the time and throw random double legs out there and and really don't do any thing on the ground once they get it there.

The college boy thing, I've been to college myself, but that's besides the point. MMA is now the cool thing to do for these young kids. Lets train some MMA after studying because MMA is cool and that's what everyone else is doing nowadays! Then maybe I can join the UFC and throw looping hay makers and use my wrestling to shoot for doubles and stall on the ground when I get bored of throwing haymakers! Like every other college-kid wrestler does nowadays!

I just find it all very tedious, generic and boring, but obviously you find it all extremely exciting and can't seem to understand where I'm coming from, so have fun with it.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:00 AM   #45 (permalink)
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My point is that they aren't very technical when throwing punches and they aren't very good at boxing. These wrestle-boxers stand there throwing looping haymakers most of the time and throw random double legs out there and and really don't do any thing on the ground once they get it there.

The college boy thing, I've been to college myself, but that's besides the point. MMA is now the cool thing to do for these young kids. Lets train some MMA after studying because MMA is cool and that's what everyone else is doing nowadays! Then maybe I can join the UFC and throw looping hay makers and use my wrestling to shoot for doubles and stall on the ground when I get bored of throwing haymakers! Like every other college-kid wrestler does nowadays!

I just find it all very tedious, generic and boring, but obviously you find it all extremely exciting and can't seem to understand where I'm coming from, so have fun with it.
The thing I don't understand about your argument, is this.

Obviously we're limited this to 170 division because that's where all the guys you called out compete.

What else is there @ 170? There are no flashy guys in that division.

The champion is a wrestler primarily who will lie on any striker that comes at him for 5 rounds and use underpowered but quite accurate striking to touch up ground fighters for 5 rounds.

We have Condit, who it's hard to classify since he's been a killer his whole career, but after his last fight, who knows what to expect from him?

We had Diaz who is suspended and really the only interesting fighter @ 170.

Then we have a bunch of guys Koscheck, T. Silva, Fitch, Shields, Hardy who all got destroyed by the champion at least once each and will likely never get another title shot.

Then we have a sea of wrestlers because anyone without the wrestling credentials to think they can deal with GSP have left the division.

You need a wrestling base to even have a hope of beating GSP, but if you come at him with wrestling he just jabs you to death instead.

These guys you're calling out all have the correct style to beat GSP as he can't just lie on them, and if he stands with them he runs the risk of eating the ONE BIG PUNCH that the Serra fight proved is all that's needed.

Strikers have tried @ 170 and they get laid on by either Kos, Fitch or GSP depending how high they work their way up and can't take the title.

The only way to do it is to be able to stuff the takedown and land the big punch. GSP is too careful to fall for anything else.

I just don't see what other option there is @ 170 than relying on good wrestling and one shot KO power to have a (slim) hope of even beating GSP.

You sound a lot like me when Sean Sherk was coming up at LW and everyone was trying to tell me how awesome he was, when I could recognize his great guard passing and top control, but just found him incredibly boring. The point being, he TRIED to be exciting and mix it up a bit and he got KTFO'd for his troubles. Everyone has styles they find boring, but in this case, you're calling out the wrong guys.

You want more exciting guys at WW? Blame GSP. He cleared out the division. Or blame Condit, he stopped the one guy who probably could have beat GSP by exploiting refereeing/judging ignorance to cheat him out of a title shot (I'm still waiting for the warning, point reduction and disqualification for 'timidity' that Condit should have suffered in that fight, as if you read the unified rules, that is a foul, not just 'good game planning).

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Old 10-04-2012, 11:02 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Recently released Charlie Brenneman determined to fight his way back to UFC

Charlie Brenneman is down, but he's not out.

"The Spaniard" tweeted on Tuesday that he has been released from his UFC contract after going 4-4 inside the Octagon.

That's the bad news. The good news is it doesn't sound like he's going to be sitting around, licking his wounds.

"It's a natural phase in anything," Brennemen said. "You lose a fight, a job, a girlfriend ... but to be honest, as soon as I made that [Twitter] post, the immediate support that I received immediately changed my perspective.

"My ultimate goal now is to get back to the big show."

Brennemen (15-5) said he briefly thought about calling it quits after being notified of his release, but that is no longer an option because, as he put it, "[MMA] is my passion, and I'm sticking around."

His last fight -- a 45-second TKO loss to Kyle Noke at UFC 152 -- ended controversially when it appeared as though the fight was stopped prematurely.

"I thought I would maybe get another chance but I didn't," he said. "I lost to Noke, and I think I should beat him 10 out of 10 times, but I didn't. I can't point a finger and be mad, though. I can't say [the UFC is] unjustified."

Brenneman, who said he would like to fight again "as soon as possible," is best remembered for agreeing to fight Rick Story on a day's notice in in June 2011 after Nate Marquardt was not medically cleared to fight by the Pennsylvania State Athletic Commission. Brenneman went on to beat the surging Story via unanimous decision in his home state of Pennsylvania.

"I'm not OK with being the guy who beat Rick Story in Pittsburgh," he said. "I want that to be one of the things I did. That feeling, I don't think I will ever feel that again. 99.9 percent of people won't feel that.

"But I want to feel that again, and I will do my damndest to get that again."
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:11 AM   #47 (permalink)
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The champion is a wrestler primarily who will lie on any striker that comes at him for 5 rounds and use underpowered but quite accurate striking to touch up ground fighters for 5 rounds.
You are aware he dropped Alves and had two very tight submissions on Dan Hardy right?

Outside of that he hasn't fought any striker's. He demolished Fitch standing, he pummeled BJ on the ground, he destroyed Koscheck's eye, and the only bad fight he's had was against Jake Shields which was a stand up affair where he got poked in the eye a million times.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:54 AM   #48 (permalink)
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You are aware he dropped Alves and had two very tight submissions on Dan Hardy right?

Outside of that he hasn't fought any striker's. He demolished Fitch standing, he pummeled BJ on the ground, he destroyed Koscheck's eye, and the only bad fight he's had was against Jake Shields which was a stand up affair where he got poked in the eye a million times.
He had the kimura set perfectly on Hardy to get a submission, but opted instead not to go for the finish for fear of giving up the position.

If Nick Diaz had that kimura, he would have broken Hardy's arm.

You can even see after the fight, he says to Hardy 'I didn't want to break your arm'
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Brennenman gets the chop...but we're still stuck with Shane Roller?.....craziness!
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:00 PM   #50 (permalink)
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All these guys are prelim fighters so Im not too pushed to care when they get cut or if they stay. Everyne starts as a prelim fighter and works their way up. If I dont see them due to PPV not shwing their fight, if they are good enough Ill see them eventually. If not, they get cut.
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