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post #81 of 90 (permalink) Old 10-05-2012, 01:55 PM
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I'm a fan of Erick Silva, but what's with his hype? He knocks out two scrubs and submits Brenneman, who was winning the fight up until being submitted? Brenneman took Silva down on multiple occasions. Fitch is a different animal than Brenneman, who has only lost to GSP and by flash KO to Johny Hendricks. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that Erick Silva is going to beat Fitch.
I like the hype because it's realistic. "Erick Silva will be champ some day" is what we hear. I hate when people push fighters above their line like they do with Weidman and Gus, but Silva is still being treated as a prospect and he's a great one at that.

People might have Silva over Fitch by the tools they use in the cage, and not by MMA math. Thats why I'd have him winning anyways.



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This is purely a set up fight for Fitch to lose. And for Silva to cash in on an old name to get some hype around him.
Exactly why Fitch will crush him.

This kind of shit never works out properly.

I see Silva winning round one, then getting absolutely smothered for two rounds.

29-28 Fitch.
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I'm not using MMA math. I'm saying Jon Fitch is a much better wrestler than Charlie Brenneman, which I think few of you will disagree with. Brenneman took Silva down on multiple occasions. Fitch has taken every one of his opponents to the floor except Georges St. Pierre and Johny Hendricks. As much as I like Silva, and as much as I want him to win, I can't see Silva stuffing Fitch's takedowns, even if he does get the better of Fitch on the feet while the fight remains there. There isn't any empirical evidence to suggest that Silva warrants this kind of hype, although I hope he proves me wrong next week.
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To be honest my gut tells me Silva has got what it takes. My gut has been wrong before though and Fitch is still a beast with his ground and grind game. That said Silva has more to win than Fitch. Win or loss Silva will be alright, Fitch would only benefit from a finish. And my God does he need that stoppage.




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I'm not using MMA math. I'm saying Jon Fitch is a much better wrestler than Charlie Brenneman, which I think few of you will disagree with. Brenneman took Silva down on multiple occasions. Fitch has taken every one of his opponents to the floor except Georges St. Pierre and Johny Hendricks. As much as I like Silva, and as much as I want him to win, I can't see Silva stuffing Fitch's takedowns, even if he does get the better of Fitch on the feet while the fight remains there. There isn't any empirical evidence to suggest that Silva warrants this kind of hype, although I hope he proves me wrong next week.
That's what I've been saying. Of brenanmen can take him down fitch can and fitch won't let him back up nearly as easily as Charlie did.

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I'm a fan of Erick Silva, but what's with his hype? He knocks out two scrubs and submits Brenneman, who was winning the fight up until being submitted? Brenneman took Silva down on multiple occasions. Fitch is a different animal than Brenneman, who has only lost to GSP and by flash KO to Johny Hendricks. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that Erick Silva is going to beat Fitch.
Da ****? Brenneman wasn't winning that fight at all. he got the vast majority of his takedowns stuffed and the ones he did get, Silva got up straight away and was out-striking him.

As for the scrubs comment, yes they were both lesser opponents but thats the story of Fitch's career. he has two good wins over Diego and Alves. the rest are scrubs but yet Fitch was hyped as the definitive #2 WW in the world.

I just don't get it.
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Da ****? Brenneman wasn't winning that fight at all. he got the vast majority of his takedowns stuffed and the ones he did get, Silva got up straight away and was out-striking him.

As for the scrubs comment, yes they were both lesser opponents but thats the story of Fitch's career. he has two good wins over Diego and Alves. the rest are scrubs but yet Fitch was hyped as the definitive #2 WW in the world.

I just don't get it.
its because its the cool thing to do, "hardcore" fans love fitch and say hes the #2 WW even though hes beaten, like you said 2 top 10 WWs...and really how elite is alves and diego?
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That's what I've been saying. Of brenanmen can take him down fitch can and fitch won't let him back up nearly as easily as Charlie did.

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I don't see why.


GSP, BJ Penn, Mike Pierce and even Chris Wilson had success scrambling back to their feet when Fitch took them down. His ground control isn't otherworldly like a Jacob Volkmann.

Especially considering Erick Silva is genuinely good at it.

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I don't see why.


GSP, BJ Penn, Mike Pierce and even Chris Wilson had success scrambling back to their feet when Fitch took them down. His ground control isn't otherworldly like a Jacob Volkmann.

Especially considering Erick Silva is genuinely good at it.
I don't think "he couldn't keep BJ Penn on his back" is a good argument ever for anyone.




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its because its the cool thing to do, "hardcore" fans love fitch and say hes the #2 WW even though hes beaten, like you said 2 top 10 WWs...and really how elite is alves and diego?
The "cool" thing to do? The cool thing to do around here it seems is to hype someone up based off of how exciting they are in the octagon rather than their actual skills shown. Like I said, I like Silva. I want him to beat Fitch and I want him to do well, but just because I find him exciting doesn't mean I think he's a top Welterweight just yet.

I am very much a "hardcore" fan and I'm absolutely not a Fitch fan. However, to say that Fitch is not elite is just absurd. He's won 13 fights in the UFC with only two losses. Pierce, Sanchez, Alves, and Paulo Thiago are far from scrubs. If Charlie Brenneman can take Erick Silva down, I'd be willing to bet Fitch can to. We'll find out next week.
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