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Old 10-05-2012, 12:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is my problem with Anderson.

Ever since he beat Chael he's been adamant about fighting GSP, now he says he needs to "do what he does best and that's defend the Middleweight title."

So why isn't he fighting Weidman or Boestch? Was all this just him laying in wait to see if Bisping won? His managers have said time after time they have no interest in fighting anyone at 185, but now he wants to?

Just doesn't make any sense unless he was just dicking around to see if Bisping won, even then, what does Bisping have for Anderson? Nothing.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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He should fight Jon Jones for his last retirement fight. That way, even if he wins he won't be keeping the title away from his teammates.
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Not surprising, Jones can almost be a heavyweight. Anderson moving up to fight him would be the incorrect choice at this stage in his career.
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That's fair. I don't want to fight Jon Jones either.
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I've said it before, and it barley makes sense, but this is how I feel:-

Jon Jones doesnt deserve to beat Anderson Silva. In the cage, I think as the styles go I'd have Jones as my favourite going in. He's a 24 year old who looks like he could have a hall of fame career ahead of him. At the same time, Machida too looked as such when he was champion. Jones isn't really anywhere near the legacy as GSP or Anderson Silva. If GSP loses to Condit, he is still respected for his career. If Silva loses to Bonnar, likewise. If Jones loses to say Hendo, he becomes a complete fake. He just hasn't earned that stage of greatness, and to hand a guy that hasn't a fight against the greatest of all time, who's more than 10 years his senior and a weight class below, it seems like it's giving him a false legacy. Jones would take over as the greatest of all time despite not really having the same credits to his name right now.

Also, I'd just like to point out the hypocritical nature of half of the posts here. "Anderson shouldnt fight GSP, a guy a weight class below, he should fight Jones". So GSP shouldnt move up but Anderson should?

I want Anderson Vs GSP because it was a fight talked about for years, and not a flavour of the month thing. If someone said "16-0 Machida Vs Anderson", it would have been as big as Jones Vs Anderson would now. Maybe Jones loses down the line. Maybe Cormier smashes him. I just think that if someones going to beat him, it has to be a legend in their own rights, like GSP. Look at Fedor, he's lost so much respect because a guy like Bigfoot Silva beat him, and Silva went on to lose to Cormier and Cain. Jones will eventually move up to HW and probably with mixed success. If someone is to beat the GOAT, I think they should be in the running for the title even before the fight begins.
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I've said it before, and it barley makes sense, but this is how I feel:-

Jon Jones doesnt deserve to beat Anderson Silva. In the cage, I think as the styles go I'd have Jones as my favourite going in. He's a 24 year old who looks like he could have a hall of fame career ahead of him. At the same time, Machida too looked as such when he was champion. Jones isn't really anywhere near the legacy as GSP or Anderson Silva. If GSP loses to Condit, he is still respected for his career. If Silva loses to Bonnar, likewise. If Jones loses to say Hendo, he becomes a complete fake. He just hasn't earned that stage of greatness, and to hand a guy that hasn't a fight against the greatest of all time, who's more than 10 years his senior and a weight class below, it seems like it's giving him a false legacy. Jones would take over as the greatest of all time despite not really having the same credits to his name right now.

Also, I'd just like to point out the hypocritical nature of half of the posts here. "Anderson shouldnt fight GSP, a guy a weight class below, he should fight Jones". So GSP shouldnt move up but Anderson should?

I want Anderson Vs GSP because it was a fight talked about for years, and not a flavour of the month thing. If someone said "16-0 Machida Vs Anderson", it would have been as big as Jones Vs Anderson would now. Maybe Jones loses down the line. Maybe Cormier smashes him. I just think that if someones going to beat him, it has to be a legend in their own rights, like GSP. Look at Fedor, he's lost so much respect because a guy like Bigfoot Silva beat him, and Silva went on to lose to Cormier and Cain. Jones will eventually move up to HW and probably with mixed success. If someone is to beat the GOAT, I think they should be in the running for the title even before the fight begins.
I see where you're coming from, but "complete fake"? Hell no. Jones is well on his way to becoming part of that exclusive club.

And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably wouldn't be as opposed to this fight if you thought Silva's chances against Jones were the same as his chances against GSP.
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I've said it before, and it barley makes sense, but this is how I feel:-

Jon Jones doesnt deserve to beat Anderson Silva. In the cage, I think as the styles go I'd have Jones as my favourite going in. He's a 24 year old who looks like he could have a hall of fame career ahead of him. At the same time, Machida too looked as such when he was champion. Jones isn't really anywhere near the legacy as GSP or Anderson Silva. If GSP loses to Condit, he is still respected for his career. If Silva loses to Bonnar, likewise. If Jones loses to say Hendo, he becomes a complete fake. He just hasn't earned that stage of greatness, and to hand a guy that hasn't a fight against the greatest of all time, who's more than 10 years his senior and a weight class below, it seems like it's giving him a false legacy. Jones would take over as the greatest of all time despite not really having the same credits to his name right now.

Also, I'd just like to point out the hypocritical nature of half of the posts here. "Anderson shouldnt fight GSP, a guy a weight class below, he should fight Jones". So GSP shouldnt move up but Anderson should?

I want Anderson Vs GSP because it was a fight talked about for years, and not a flavour of the month thing. If someone said "16-0 Machida Vs Anderson", it would have been as big as Jones Vs Anderson would now. Maybe Jones loses down the line. Maybe Cormier smashes him. I just think that if someones going to beat him, it has to be a legend in their own rights, like GSP. Look at Fedor, he's lost so much respect because a guy like Bigfoot Silva beat him, and Silva went on to lose to Cormier and Cain. Jones will eventually move up to HW and probably with mixed success. If someone is to beat the GOAT, I think they should be in the running for the title even before the fight begins.
Are you really comparing Jones beating Anderson to BIGFOOT beating Fedor?

REALLY? Anderson Silva losing to Jon Jones would be equal to Fedor losing to BIGFOOT?!

That is the most asinine statement I've ever read on this forum. Jones is already one of the greatest fighters of all time and he's done it in a division that has been historically deep, from the days of Tito, Randy, Chuck, and Wanderlei to Rampage, Machida, Shogun, and Rashad, he's a dominant, defending UFC Champion whose smashed four former UFC Champs and he somehow doesn't 'deserve' to hand Anderson his first loss in the UFC? Who are any of us to say who 'deserves' to hand anyone a loss? These are two of the best of all time and whoever wins would win. Age shouldn't matter here, Anderson is still clearly a highly skilled fighter at 37.

I for one and I think a lot of people here wouldn't look at Anderson that much differently if he lost to Jones. They're so much closer in talent level than Fedor and Bigfoot were.
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Size makes all the difference in both these fights and I'd hate for our first real "superfight" to be ruined by one guy (either Anderson or GSP depending on the match) simply being beaten on do to giving up to much size. I personally feel Jon is way to big for Anderson, and Anderson is way to big for GSP. The fights I want to see are Jones/JDS and Silva/Evans. Both would be much more level size wise. Especially if Jones comes into his fight at 230-240. As for GSP? Really don't care. Long lost interest in watching him fight. Just my opinion.
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..Yeah, just read the article off of MMAweekly. I think first, we must see how he fairs against Bonnar at 205. Because of Bonnar's good well-rounded striking, solid power and size, he does pose a considerable threat to Silva if he lands some strikes. If Anderson isn't impressive against Bonnar as he was with Forrest and Irvin, it's a clear he needs to stay at MW. Age 37 is not young in this sport. Anderson really has nothing more to prove. His highlights are some of the best ever. He knows Jones is the 205 now & future. He seems to want no part of it. I think if anybody can beat Jones now it would be Anderson. Imagine JBJ's skills in just a year from now. Anyway, Bonner has about a 5 inch reach advantage with the height as well. Anderson's timing is so sick, if Bonnar comes forward and eats a couple to get in a hard punch, he will get caught. I think Bonnar will have a good gameplan. If not, he'll swing for the fences and go out on his shield like a true MMA warrior...
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I see where you're coming from, but "complete fake"? Hell no. Jones is well on his way to becoming part of that exclusive club.

And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably wouldn't be as opposed to this fight if you thought Silva's chances against Jones were the same as his chances against GSP.
Jones to me is the best LHW ever. But you know the way people are. If he got schooled by someone like Cormier, people would say that it was all hype and that he was always overrated.

And probably you're right at the end. I just dont think its fair to hand Jones such a legendary fight against someone who is just about to retire. Because Silva is so good, he's hanging on and still killing everyone he faces. But it doesnt really change the fact that he's got around 3 fights left. I dont think he should go out against one of the youngest guys on the roster in his complete prime. I think he should have the catchweight fight against another legend and hang it up.

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Are you really comparing Jones beating Anderson to BIGFOOT beating Fedor?

REALLY? Anderson Silva losing to Jon Jones would be equal to Fedor losing to BIGFOOT?!

That is the most asinine statement I've ever read on this forum. Jones is already one of the greatest fighters of all time and he's done it in a division that has been historically deep, from the days of Tito, Randy, Chuck, and Wanderlei to Rampage, Machida, Shogun, and Rashad, he's a dominant, defending UFC Champion whose smashed four former UFC Champs and he somehow doesn't 'deserve' to hand Anderson his first loss in the UFC? Who are any of us to say who 'deserves' to hand anyone a loss? These are two of the best of all time and whoever wins would win. Age shouldn't matter here, Anderson is still clearly a highly skilled fighter at 37.

I for one and I think a lot of people here wouldn't look at Anderson that much differently if he lost to Jones. They're so much closer in talent level than Fedor and Bigfoot were.
If Jones got beat by Cormier, moved up to HW, and lost to say Velasquez, his hype would go WAY down. I know Bigfoot's nothing even close to Jones, but you get what I mean.

Also, that's why I said "It's how I feel". I'm able to say who deserves what and where because it's my opinion. Didnt everyone say Sonnen didnt deserve the title shot? Who's to say? I'm pretty sure I seen you agreeing with that point aswell.

I dont think people would look at Anderson differently if he lost to even someone at Bonnar's level. Anderson stands out on his own. I just dont think Jones has achieved enough to be classed as the greatest of all time, which he would be if he won the fight. He's cleaned out the division, but the reason that's such amazing news is because it's a very popular name division. Dos Santos has done the exact same thing aswell. For Jones to be considered the greatest, I think he'd have to have like another 3 dominant LHW fights, and then win the HW title. THEN his impact and legacy will be on the same level to me. The lack of fighters able to exploit his weaknesses is what's harming his wins to me. It's not the usual "He's dominant" situation. He has a clear weakness for BJJ, but who's going to exploit that in the same way that Anderson's wrestling weakness got exploited? There is so much more to becoming the greatest, and adversity and opponent's ability is a big factor of it. If Jones can take out guys like Werdum, Nog and Mir, on his way to becoming HW champion, then he will be more than fitting to be the new greatest.
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