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Old 10-08-2012, 03:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Wow, just wow! Can't believe some people are trying to spin this as the UFC doing it to further their own image.

They paid a guy who is in a horrible situation with his family life, when they didnt have to. There is no bad to be taken from this.

Some people will do anything to shit on the UFC and Dana.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:38 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Wow, just wow! Can't believe some people are trying to spin this as the UFC doing it to further their own image.

They paid a guy who is in a horrible situation with his family life, when they didnt have to. There is no bad to be taken from this.

Some people will do anything to shit on the UFC and Dana.
And some people lose their minds whenever you say anything THEY consider negative about Dana White.

Good on Dana for giving the guy some money but he still got RELEASED from his contract. And Dana said `he`s not coming back` and more hilariously `you don`t not make weight.` This is simple math, they felt it was a better business decision to pay him some cash and cut him than to keep him on.

It`s bullshit.

Thiago Alves has a win over Matt Hughes were he missed weight by something like 7 pounds. And a couple of years later, I see people using that win to pump up Alves. They`ve completely forgotten (or simply never knew) that he missed weight by an absurd amount. Alves has missed weight multiple times and even posted pictures on his facebook of him eating bar-be-que the week leading up to a fight where he missed weight. The guy doesn`t give a shit about making weight because he knows he`ll be brought back no matter what.

That`s my problem with it. The utter lack of consistency. If you`re a big name or Dana likes you, you still get to fight, and KO a guy and pad your record and continue on with the company. If you`re Dennis Hallman you get a big severance payment and told to GTFO.

Alves was kept around because he can still make the UFC money, and more importantly, if they cut him he could go and start making money for SOMEONE ELSE. This is a business. Hallman isn`t a commodity, he`s just a hard-working effective fighter. Alves is a cash cow. So the rules only apply to Hallman.

I use Alves because his win over Hughes was bullshit and Hallman has multiple legitimate wins over Hughes. Hallman is out of a job, and Alves drives a f****** Maserati. Yeah, that`s fair.

And Hallman has an actual excuse for missing weight, he's going through some serious personal shit. Alves just didn't give a damn about making weight.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ufc-...lman-s-release

But ultimately there`s no point explaining this shit to you guys because you just don`t want to hear it.

What would you rather have? A one time payment? Or a job?

It's an easy decision for me.

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Old 10-08-2012, 06:13 AM   #23 (permalink)
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And some people lose their minds whenever you say anything THEY consider negative about Dana White.

Good on Dana for giving the guy some money but he still got RELEASED from his contract. And Dana said `he`s not coming back` and more hilariously `you don`t not make weight.` This is simple math, they felt it was a better business decision to pay him some cash and cut him than to keep him on.

It`s bullshit.

Thiago Alves has a win over Matt Hughes were he missed weight by something like 7 pounds. And a couple of years later, I see people using that win to pump up Alves. They`ve completely forgotten (or simply never knew) that he missed weight by an absurd amount. Alves has missed weight multiple times and even posted pictures on his facebook of him eating bar-be-que the week leading up to a fight where he missed weight. The guy doesn`t give a shit about making weight because he knows he`ll be brought back no matter what.

That`s my problem with it. The utter lack of consistency. If you`re a big name or Dana likes you, you still get to fight, and KO a guy and pad your record and continue on with the company. If you`re Dennis Hallman you get a big severance payment and told to GTFO.

Alves was kept around because he can still make the UFC money, and more importantly, if they cut him he could go and start making money for SOMEONE ELSE. This is a business. Hallman isn`t a commodity, he`s just a hard-working effective fighter. Alves is a cash cow. So the rules only apply to Hallman.

I use Alves because his win over Hughes was bullshit and Hallman has multiple legitimate wins over Hughes. Hallman is out of a job, and Alves drives a f****** Maserati. Yeah, that`s fair.

And Hallman has an actual excuse for missing weight, he's going through some serious personal shit. Alves just didn't give a damn about making weight.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ufc-...lman-s-release

But ultimately there`s no point explaining this shit to you guys because you just don`t want to hear it.

What would you rather have? A one time payment? Or a job?

It's an easy decision for me.
Exactly, if they'd kept Hallman and given him another fight to redeem himself, I'd be praising the compassion they showed.

Giving a single tiny check, "leaking" the story on twitter, yet cutting the guy? Yeah what saints.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:45 AM   #24 (permalink)
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And some people lose their minds whenever you say anything THEY consider negative about Dana White.

Good on Dana for giving the guy some money but he still got RELEASED from his contract. And Dana said `he`s not coming back` and more hilariously `you don`t not make weight.` This is simple math, they felt it was a better business decision to pay him some cash and cut him than to keep him on.

It`s bullshit.

Thiago Alves has a win over Matt Hughes were he missed weight by something like 7 pounds. And a couple of years later, I see people using that win to pump up Alves. They`ve completely forgotten (or simply never knew) that he missed weight by an absurd amount. Alves has missed weight multiple times and even posted pictures on his facebook of him eating bar-be-que the week leading up to a fight where he missed weight. The guy doesn`t give a shit about making weight because he knows he`ll be brought back no matter what.

That`s my problem with it. The utter lack of consistency. If you`re a big name or Dana likes you, you still get to fight, and KO a guy and pad your record and continue on with the company. If you`re Dennis Hallman you get a big severance payment and told to GTFO.

Alves was kept around because he can still make the UFC money, and more importantly, if they cut him he could go and start making money for SOMEONE ELSE. This is a business. Hallman isn`t a commodity, he`s just a hard-working effective fighter. Alves is a cash cow. So the rules only apply to Hallman.

I use Alves because his win over Hughes was bullshit and Hallman has multiple legitimate wins over Hughes. Hallman is out of a job, and Alves drives a f****** Maserati. Yeah, that`s fair.

And Hallman has an actual excuse for missing weight, he's going through some serious personal shit. Alves just didn't give a damn about making weight.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ufc-...lman-s-release

But ultimately there`s no point explaining this shit to you guys because you just don`t want to hear it.

What would you rather have? A one time payment? Or a job?

It's an easy decision for me.
Boom head shot.

I feel really bad about slagging off Hallman in the other thread now.

If the UFC were really showing compassion about this entire situation then they would never have cut Hallman.

**** Dana. The biggest hypocritical, fakest piece of shit I've ever come across.
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Hallman has had a problem making weight for a while. This time his opponent didnt even accept the fight due to the issue. He also had his wiener exposed to the entire world during a fight.
The UFC still gave Hallman his show and win money to help deal with his issues and then let him go so he can get his stuff together. If he gets a win or 2 he will be right back in the UFC.

Sounds like the UFC did the right thing here to me. The guy was more trouble then he was worth. Giving him Show/Win money is incredibly nice of the UFC to do.

If they cut him and gave him not a single penny i dont think anyone would have said anything. And its probably what every other company would have done.


And in EVERY company if you bring more money in to the company you are going to be kept around longer. I dont know why people act as if the UFC is the only company in history to do this. What kind of world do you guys live in??? Where the clouds are made out off fluffy candy??? And dirt is made out of chocolate??? And there are ******* flying hearts everywhere??

Good for you guys...

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Hallman has had a problem making weight for a while. This time his opponent didnt even accept the fight due to the issue. He also had his wiener exposed to the entire world during a fight.
The UFC still gave Hallman his show and win money to help deal with his issues and then let him go so he can get his stuff together. If he gets a win or 2 he will be right back in the UFC.

Sounds like the UFC did the right thing here to me. The guy was more trouble then he was worth. Giving him Show/Win money is incredibly nice of the UFC to do.

If they cut him and gave him not a single penny i dont think anyone would have said anything. And its probably what every other company would have done.


And in EVERY company if you bring more money in to the company you are going to be kept around longer. I dont know why people act as if the UFC is the only company in history to do this. What kind of world do you guys live in??? Where the clouds are made out off fluffy candy??? And dirt is made out of chocolate??? And there are ******* flying hearts everywhere??

Good for you guys...

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Did you miss the part where Dana said he's not coming back?
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Did you miss the part where Dana said he's not coming back?
I didnt miss the part where Hallman said he will be right back with a win or 2 in a lower organization as long as he makes weight.

To me it sounded like Dana white said he wont be back as in he is cut and wont be back after all this stuff is handled. I dont see anything that leads me to believe that Dana White wont hire him back if the guy proves that he can make weight and wins some fights.

And even if he wont hire him back... so ******* what?? He doesnt have to hire a guy back that is constantly missing weight and came out dressed in speedos and let his nuts hang out. But im sure if Dennis Hallman can make himself worth a bit more then Dana White would take him back on the business principal. Its his company and he can do what he wants and when he wants... if that is being a smart business man and giving more rope to the guys that are worth more. Then so be it... it really isnt a big deal.
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And in EVERY company if you bring more money in to the company you are going to be kept around longer. I dont know why people act as if the UFC is the only company in history to do this. What kind of world do you guys live in??? Where the clouds are made out off fluffy candy??? And dirt is made out of chocolate??? And there are ******* flying hearts everywhere??

Good for you guys...

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People are praising the UFC for their compassion, not for making an efficient business decision. Do we need to hold your hand through this entire discussion?

Besides, the UFC is a business, but it's also supposed to be a sport, where everyone plays by the same rules. Star treatment exists in every sport, but that doesn't mean we have to like it.
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@ Sideways

Hallman has been training and fighting since 1996.

He's amassed a record of 51-14 and you're saying he has to go and earn his shot?

Sorry, but that's just disgusting. How much do these guys have to give?
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People are praising the UFC for their compassion, not for making an efficient business decision. Do we need to hold your hand through this entire discussion?

Besides, the UFC is a business, but it's also supposed to be a sport, where everyone plays by the same rules. Star treatment exists in every sport, but that doesn't mean we have to like it.
What lol??

Sorry i guess you are going to have to hold my hand because i have no ******* clue what YOU are talking about. I understand everyone else... you... not so much.


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@ Sideways

Hallman has been training and fighting since 1996.

He's amassed a record of 51-14 and you're saying he has to go and earn his shot?

Sorry, but that's just disgusting. How much do these guys have to give?
He has to earn his shot??

Wait what??

Do you NOT understand the situation?


And btw this isnt Twitter. If you want to reply to me then hit the damn quote button. Or is that too difficult for you?
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