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Old 10-08-2012, 07:30 AM   #31 (permalink)
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He has to earn his shot??

Wait what??

Do you NOT understand the situation?
How about you explain it to me.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:33 AM   #32 (permalink)
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How about you explain it to me.
This guy has been missing weight... this time it caused a fight to be cancelled. (Which is a big deal)

They let him go because of it.

If he wants to come back he has to prove he can make weight. He does that by fighting in lower organizations. Obviously he also will have to win the fight. Because why hire him if he makes weight but loses?? What sense would that make?

If an employee is more trouble then he is worth... you cut him. This isnt some evil corrupt thing.

My friend got fired from his job after working there for 10 years because of "cutbacks". They didnt give him another extra month of payment. What they did was shake his hand and walk him out of the door.
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If an employee is more trouble then he is worth... you cut him. This isnt some evil corrupt thing.
Who decides when a guy is more trouble than he's worth?

I'll throw this back to the Alves example. You think Hughes didn't get a nice kickback under the table for fighting Alves when he showed up THAT overweight? You think Hughes is dumb? He's one of the smartest guys in the history of the sport, he isn't fighting a guy that overweight unless someone makes it worth his while.

This kind of shit is basically the definition of corruption.

Why even HAVE weight classes?
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:45 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Who decides when a guy is more trouble than he's worth?

I'll throw this back to the Alves example. You think Hughes didn't get a nice kickback under the table for fighting Alves when he showed up THAT overweight? You think Hughes is dumb? He's one of the smartest guys in the history of the sport, he isn't fighting a guy that overweight unless someone makes it worth his while.

This kind of shit is basically the definition of corruption.

Why even HAVE weight classes?
So i take it you understand everything else then???


Well Dana White and the Fans do.

Not many fans care much about Dennis Hallman. Very few people outside of family members are paying for an event to see Dennis Hallman.

Yet he has missed weight multiple times, got a fight cancelled, had his privates come out on TV.

Its obvious he is more trouble then he is worth. Its common sense at that point.


In my Company its my boss who decides who is more trouble then he is worth. Then his boss decides if he is more trouble then he is worth. And so on and so on.

Nothing corrupt and nothing shady.


People are just bitching because they love to bitch.

I wouldnt be surprised to see alot of you guys go to the beach and then complain that there is too much sand there.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:59 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Who decides when a guy is more trouble than he's worth?

I'll throw this back to the Alves example. You think Hughes didn't get a nice kickback under the table for fighting Alves when he showed up THAT overweight? You think Hughes is dumb? He's one of the smartest guys in the history of the sport, he isn't fighting a guy that overweight unless someone makes it worth his while.

This kind of shit is basically the definition of corruption.

Why even HAVE weight classes?
And before i go to bed (Sorry for Double post)

I just want to touch up on the Matt Hughes thing.


Whether the UFC paid him a bit more or not to take the fight does not matter. There is already ALOT of incentive to take a fight if a guy is overweight. You get 20% if your opponents money, If you dont accept the fight you also dont get paid, You have just spent money and time training for the last 3 months, You get to FIGHT which is what Fighters LIKE to do, you look good to the fans and the company owes you one.

So if the UFC didnt give Hughes anything extra to take the fight then that would NOT surprise me at all. It makes sense that Hughes would take the fight. He is one of the fighters who wont be fired whether he won or lost. So why would he turn down a fight and turn down his 200k+ paycheck??? He wouldnt. So whether the UFC paid him extra or not really does not matter... there is a money incentive already there.


And why even have weight classes??? Talk about jumping the gun there...
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So i take it you understand everything else then???


Well Dana White and the Fans do.

Not many fans care much about Dennis Hallman. Very few people outside of family members are paying for an event to see Dennis Hallman.

Yet he has missed weight multiple times, got a fight cancelled, had his privates come out on TV.

Its obvious he is more trouble then he is worth. Its common sense at that point.


In my Company its my boss who decides who is more trouble then he is worth. Then his boss decides if he is more trouble then he is worth. And so on and so on.

Nothing corrupt and nothing shady.


People are just bitching because they love to bitch.

I wouldnt be surprised to see alot of you guys go to the beach and then complain that there is too much sand there.
Of course Dana can run his business however the hell he wants, as long as it's legal.

We as fans are free to comment on it however the hell we want.

The discussion in this thread was whether he was being compassionate or "nice". He wasn't. Cutting the guy under his personal situation was the least compassionate thing Dana could have done, especially considering Hallman's been on a decent run lately winning 3 out of his last 4, and considering many other chronic weight missers have been given multiple chances.

Of course it made business sense to cut the guy, he wasn't a star. RareNaked's response was never about what was practical or moneymaking, it was to those people praising Dana for his "niceness" in giving a guy a check and booting him on to the street, for good according to what he said even if you claim otherwise, while maintaining double standards with other fighters. Nothing nice about it.

Practical and a good business decision, sure maybe. But guys on here were preaching about Saint Dana and that's kinda stupid.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:12 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Of course Dana can run his business however the hell he wants, as long as it's legal.

We as fans are free to comment on it however the hell we want. It's not co

The discussion in this thread was whether he was being compassionate or "nice". He wasn't. Cutting the guy under his personal situation was the least compassionate thing Dana could have done, especially considering Hallman's been on a decent run lately winning 3 out of his last 4, and considering many other chronic weight missers have been given multiple chances.

Of course it made business sense to cut the guy, he wasn't a star. RareNaked's response was never about what was practical or moneymaking, it was to those people praising Dana for his "niceness" in giving a guy a check and booting him on to the street, for good according to what he said even if you claim otherwise, while maintaining double standards. Nothing nice about it.

Practical and a good business decision, sure probably, but guys on here were preaching about Saint Dana and that's kinda stupid.
Giving a guy a paycheck he didnt earn is nice and then letting him go FOR JUSTIFIED reasons is neither nice or not nice. It just is what it is.

They could have done the "neutral" thing which was

Kick him out (justified) and not give him a paycheck. (Since he didnt earn it)

Which is probably what every other company would do. They wouldnt even give him the time to explain his personal problem... they dont want to hear it.

Dennis Hallman deserved to go. How can you guys argue that kicking a guy who deserves to be kicked is "Not Nice"??? Its completely neutral. If a guy deserves to be let go then he deserves to be let go. Its not Nice or Not Nice.

But giving him money that he didnt earn to help him out on a reasonable level is Nice.

Keeping him around would be "nice" also but it doesnt mean that not keeping him around is mean or something.
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Not many fans care much about Dennis Hallman.
The guy's been fighting since Mark Coleman was running shit.

Some of us care about Dennis Hallman.

These guys built the sport, they deserve better than this.

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The guy's been fighting since Mark Coleman was running shit.

Some of us care about Dennis Hallman.

Let's see what Jon Jones is doing in 16 years.
You realize that the "hardcore" fan base is a small percentage of the UFC fan base????

And even i have trouble believing that you are buying PPVs to watch Dennis Hallman fight.

But hey.. if you are... good for you. I know i dont.

And i know what Jon Jones has accomplished in his short time is more impressive then what Hallman will EVER accomplish in his entire career.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:48 AM   #40 (permalink)
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What is it with crooked judges giving your drugged out wife your car & custody of your kid?

I thought athletic comissions & their mma judging was bad.

This is so much worse.
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