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Old 10-07-2012, 05:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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im with you on gustaf....i dont understand his hype at all, but weidman? come on son
Weidman is a pretty alright guy. Good enough in every area. He's beat no one of note and hasn't really shown why he will be able to survive one round against Anderson.

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And, why do you change your opinion on a x fighter acording to what other people say?
Feck that shit, if i'm a fan of someone it's because of what they are and the way they fight, what mma fans say on a internet forum doesn't influence that at all.
I made a request based on personal opinion. I can request that people never wear skinny jeans and say 'yolo', and I wish they would act acording to what I find best, but alas it's not the case.

I've never really been a "fan" of Erick, Weidman or Gus. I can respect their skills but am kind of neutral on how I favour them. I'd like to become a fan, but if I see people overrating them constantly it makes me hope they lose to prove that they arent what they are hyped up to be, and in doing so I never really reach the stage to become a fan.
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Weidman will probably eventually beat Silva, and Gustafsson will be a top 10 LHW for years, but Erick Silva is so over-hyped that it's baffling.

Charlie Brenneman is his best win.
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Weidman is a pretty alright guy. Good enough in every area. He's beat no one of note and hasn't really shown why he will be able to survive one round against Anderson.



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I made a request based on personal opinion. I can request that people never wear skinny jeans and say 'yolo', and I wish they would act acording to what I find best, but alas it's not the case.

I've never really been a "fan" of Erick, Weidman or Gus. I can respect their skills but am kind of neutral on how I favour them. I'd like to become a fan, but if I see people overrating them constantly it makes me hope they lose to prove that they arent what they are hyped up to be, and in doing so I never really reach the stage to become a fan.
Explain to me why you buy into a guy like Erick Silva, who out of his 3 victories in the UFC, only one is still employed and he might very well be on his way out after his last fight, yet you don't buy into guys in Weidman and Gustaffsson.

Erick's a good fighter and so are Weidman and Gus, but you say things like "Weidman hasn't shown me anything" maybe it's just differing opinions but I can't honestly understand why people look at Weidman the way they do.

He's a guy whose fought through adversity(grueling weight cut against Maia) and has been flawless throughout the rest of his career. Could he beat Anderson? Not sure, but I get the impression people here either don't watch him fight or they just refuse to believe the hype, I'm sure a similar thing happened with Jones back when he was on the rise but I don't really understand why people can buy into someone liike Silva but not into Weidman or Gus.

Like I said in this thread, Fitch/Silva will tell us a lot about Erick and his potential, if the ref's the only thing saving him from getting wrestle ****ed by Fitch, then I might write him off as the "guy" to beat GSP and I'm not quite sure how I'd feel about a fight with Rory and Erick.

With Weidman, I feel like he could already go in there and put up a decent fight/beat Anderson.

If anyone is over-hyped, out of the Weidman/Silva/Gus class, imo it's Erick but he could change all of that with a victory next week.
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Explain to me why you buy into a guy like Erick Silva, who out of his 3 victories in the UFC, only one is still employed and he might very well be on his way out after his last fight, yet you don't buy into guys in Weidman and Gustaffsson.

Erick's a good fighter and so are Weidman and Gus, but you say things like "Weidman hasn't shown me anything" maybe it's just differing opinions but I can't honestly understand why people look at Weidman the way they do.

He's a guy whose fought through adversity(grueling weight cut against Maia) and has been flawless throughout the rest of his career. Could he beat Anderson? Not sure, but I get the impression people here either don't watch him fight or they just refuse to believe the hype, I'm sure a similar thing happened with Jones back when he was on the rise but I don't really understand why people can buy into someone liike Silva but not into Weidman or Gus.

Like I said in this thread, Fitch/Silva will tell us a lot about Erick and his potential, if the ref's the only thing saving him from getting wrestle ****ed by Fitch, then I might write him off as the "guy" to beat GSP and I'm not quite sure how I'd feel about a fight with Rory and Erick.

With Weidman, I feel like he could already go in there and put up a decent fight/beat Anderson.

If anyone is over-hyped, out of the Weidman/Silva/Gus class, imo it's Erick but he could change all of that with a victory next week.
I didn't "buy" into the Erick Silva hype, and pretty much the reason for my post is for people to stop placing him so highly up the ladder.

As for Weidman, why is he up so high? It makes no sense to me.

Sakara = 7-7 in the UFC and has lost to loads of nobodies.
Bongfeldt = No longer in the UFC.
Lawlor = 5-4 in UFC with loses to low tier fighters.
Maia = Strong opponent, but Weidman looked terrible.
Munoz = Overrated opponent who looked terrible, but a legit win.

In my books, Weidman has only looked good against a decent opponent once, and the words "decent opponent" are being used loosley when I refer to Munoz. If he was to beat Sonnen, Bisping, Belfort, hell even a low enough level guy like Okami, then fair enough, but with only one legit win I dont see why he's this "Amazing title contender who has the best chance ever of beating Anderson Silva". I see Anderson finishing him without too much trouble and everyone saying "Well Weidman was overrated anyways...".
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I didn't "buy" into the Erick Silva hype, and pretty much the reason for my post is for people to stop placing him so highly up the ladder.

As for Weidman, why is he up so high? It makes no sense to me.

Sakara = 7-7 in the UFC and has lost to loads of nobodies.
Bongfeldt = No longer in the UFC.
Lawlor = 5-4 in UFC with loses to low tier fighters.
Maia = Strong opponent, but Weidman looked terrible.
Munoz = Overrated opponent who looked terrible, but a legit win.

In my books, Weidman has only looked good against a decent opponent once, and the words "decent opponent" are being used loosley when I refer to Munoz. If he was to beat Sonnen, Bisping, Belfort, hell even a low enough level guy like Okami, then fair enough, but with only one legit win I dont see why he's this "Amazing title contender who has the best chance ever of beating Anderson Silva". I see Anderson finishing him without too much trouble and everyone saying "Well Weidman was overrated anyways...".
I respect that opinion but outside of Maia, Weidman didn't have a single problem with any of those guys, and honestly, you give me Weidman with a full camp, I don't have any doubt he'd have lit Maia up that night. He completely man handled all of them and has showed some serious grappling along the way which is I guess you could say is the "weakest" part of Anderson's game, which is what makes him an interesting opponent, imo.

I'd be up for a GSP/Silva fight in 2013, provided they both win, but I'll have to see how he can do against Fitch before I fully jump on that train.
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I didn't "buy" into the Erick Silva hype, and pretty much the reason for my post is for people to stop placing him so highly up the ladder.

As for Weidman, why is he up so high? It makes no sense to me.

Sakara = 7-7 in the UFC and has lost to loads of nobodies.
Bongfeldt = No longer in the UFC.
Lawlor = 5-4 in UFC with loses to low tier fighters.
Maia = Strong opponent, but Weidman looked terrible.
Munoz = Overrated opponent who looked terrible, but a legit win.

In my books, Weidman has only looked good against a decent opponent once, and the words "decent opponent" are being used loosley when I refer to Munoz. If he was to beat Sonnen, Bisping, Belfort, hell even a low enough level guy like Okami, then fair enough, but with only one legit win I dont see why he's this "Amazing title contender who has the best chance ever of beating Anderson Silva". I see Anderson finishing him without too much trouble and everyone saying "Well Weidman was overrated anyways...".
i used to think like this about most hyped up fighters, until JBJ wrecked every former LHW champ, now i see that these new kids pick things up fast and some just seem to be way ahead of the game

weidman is a big MW, has sick wrestling (im sure he could take AS down no problemas) and also has amazing bjj...now i dont think he could sub AS but hes also working on his GnP and trying to use his elbows like JBj...thats scary

its just impressive how this kid destroyed these guys, sure they arent the best but they are tough fighters and weidman is making it look easy just like JBJ did

his MMA wrestling is very impressive and the way hes picked up BJJ is amazing, even if he had only beat nobodys if you look at his skills on paper hes a very serious threat to AS and im probably andersons biggest nuthugger here...thats a fight that scares me lol but hey i could be wrong...time will tell right
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I respect that opinion but outside of Maia, Weidman didn't have a single problem with any of those guys, and honestly, you give me Weidman with a full camp, I don't have any doubt he'd have lit Maia up that night. He completely man handled all of them and has showed some serious grappling along the way which is I guess you could say is the "weakest" part of Anderson's game, which is what makes him an interesting opponent, imo.

I'd be up for a GSP/Silva fight in 2013, provided they both win, but I'll have to see how he can do against Fitch before I fully jump on that train.
Yeah Weidman kicked all of their asses, but anyone with a good all round game pretty much does the exact same. Theres a difference between easily beating Sakara and surviving a round with Anderson. I think Weidman has showed an alright game all round, but as he hasnt shown to be one of the best in any specific area I dont think he can be hyped at the level he is just yet. I think Bisping beats him if they fight. Bisping is a great grappler too, and I think Bisping will be able to use intelligent boxing to steal the rounds. I HATE that Weidman is fighting Tim next because that's really the fight that makes sense for a #1 contendership. I also agree that he beats Maia quite easily in a rematch.

EDIT: I dont think Anderson's weakest point is his "grappling", it's more his TDD. On the ground or with the takedowns, Sonnen is a lot better than Weidman so as he could rush Anderson to get him down and stay in the guard with GnP to keep him there, Weidman will need to get a clinch together, work a double against the cage etc., and at that I think Anderson won't have much trouble tying him up on the ground until he gets back up and wins by knockout.

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i used to think like this about most hyped up fighters, until JBJ wrecked every former LHW champ, now i see that these new kids pick things up fast and some just seem to be way ahead of the game

weidman is a big MW, has sick wrestling (im sure he could take AS down no problemas) and also has amazing bjj...now i dont think he could sub AS but hes also working on his GnP and trying to use his elbows like JBj...thats scary

its just impressive how this kid destroyed these guys, sure they arent the best but they are tough fighters and weidman is making it look easy just like JBJ did

his MMA wrestling is very impressive and the way hes picked up BJJ is amazing, even if he had only beat nobodys if you look at his skills on paper hes a very serious threat to AS and im probably andersons biggest nuthugger here...thats a fight that scares me lol but hey i could be wrong...time will tell right
I dont really see what warrents "amazing BJJ". If he got put on his back by say Sonnen, I dont see him pulling off a triangle to finish the fight. I mean he trains BJJ and he might of picked it up quite quickly, but I think that particular adjective is a little extreme.

JBJ was different. Jones has so many assets and showed every one of them through his rise. His wrestling was shown to be pretty good, his ground and pound was great, and when he used his natural advantages to control the striking game, he made for one of the most unstoppable guys ever in the UFC. Weidman to me, just hasnt shown anything THAT different. He's a pretty good wrestler with pretty good striking and pretty good submissions. I don't see ANYTHING Anderson struggles with against him. Anderson has dealt with a more difficult wrestler in Chael, a better striker like Vitor, a better BJJ guy like Maia. I don't see a single aspect of Weidman's game that would trouble Anderson. I could see Bisping working Anderson over in a boring fight against the cage, but that's not quite Weidman's style and I dont see one part that troubles him.
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Very good. he won't beat GSP though.
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Yeah Weidman kicked all of their asses, but anyone with a good all round game pretty much does the exact same. Theres a difference between easily beating Sakara and surviving a round with Anderson. I think Weidman has showed an alright game all round, but as he hasnt shown to be one of the best in any specific area I dont think he can be hyped at the level he is just yet. I think Bisping beats him if they fight. Bisping is a great grappler too, and I think Bisping will be able to use intelligent boxing to steal the rounds. I HATE that Weidman is fighting Tim next because that's really the fight that makes sense for a #1 contendership. I also agree that he beats Maia quite easily in a rematch.

EDIT: I dont think Anderson's weakest point is his "grappling", it's more his TDD. On the ground or with the takedowns, Sonnen is a lot better than Weidman so as he could rush Anderson to get him down and stay in the guard with GnP to keep him there, Weidman will need to get a clinch together, work a double against the cage etc., and at that I think Anderson won't have much trouble tying him up on the ground until he gets back up and wins by knockout.



I dont really see what warrents "amazing BJJ". If he got put on his back by say Sonnen, I dont see him pulling off a triangle to finish the fight. I mean he trains BJJ and he might of picked it up quite quickly, but I think that particular adjective is a little extreme.

JBJ was different. Jones has so many assets and showed every one of them through his rise. His wrestling was shown to be pretty good, his ground and pound was great, and when he used his natural advantages to control the striking game, he made for one of the most unstoppable guys ever in the UFC. Weidman to me, just hasnt shown anything THAT different. He's a pretty good wrestler with pretty good striking and pretty good submissions. I don't see ANYTHING Anderson struggles with against him. Anderson has dealt with a more difficult wrestler in Chael, a better striker like Vitor, a better BJJ guy like Maia. I don't see a single aspect of Weidman's game that would trouble Anderson. I could see Bisping working Anderson over in a boring fight against the cage, but that's not quite Weidman's style and I dont see one part that troubles him.
well hes barley started BJJ and hes already doing well in ADCC, he has a natural talent when it comes to grappling, maia is great at bjj but needs to work on his TDs

weidman has a sick combination of great wrestling (i think you're underestimating his wrestling...or maybe im overrating it, but i think he outwresltes any1 at 185) size, and bjj...and his striking is getting better and better...

i think his size is something ppl tend to overlook, hes a big MW...i think he could easily bully guys around with his skills + size...i doubt anderson would be able to triangle him, but i wonder if weidman is fast enough to shoot on andy, his footwork is very good..it would be a very interesting fight, obviously i never bet against andy but i would be more worried about weidman than say sonnen or vitor
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Lets see how he does against Fitch before we even begin speaking his name in the same sentence as GSP. Lets be honest his biggest win by far came over a guy who just got cut from the UFC. 14-2 is impressive but name one guy besides Brenneman that he beat, 99% of users could not answer that. (And lets be honest if it wasn't for the Story fight we wouldn't know him either)

Lets be real he has fought nobody of any noteriety so to start comparing him to one of the P4P best.

IMO the Fitch fight will tell us a lot about the guy or at least I hope it will. I don't want to see a flash knock out I want to see him pressed or see him press Fitch. Then we can maybe see how good he is. Lets not call him Kid though the man is only 3 years younger than GSP and only 4 years younger than BJ Penn. For comparison at 28 GSP had already become champ twice and beat the likes of Hughes, Kos, Fitch and Penn. By 28 BJ had already held titles in two weight classes and established a fairly decent legacy. Silva is not the young up and comer just a guy that is finally getting his shot.
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