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post #51 of 69 (permalink) Old 10-08-2012, 09:09 PM
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So on one hand you are saying we don't know what Silva is beause he hasn't fought anyone relevant in the UFC.

On the other hand you say if he beats Fitch you still can't say what he is.


So what is he supposed to do? Is Fitch not a top 10 fighter?

Reguardless of who Silva has beat, he has beat them in impressive/easy fashion. The skills he has shown in my eyes are top 10 level talent. He has one of the betters camps/teams in the whole sport. He is well-rounded. He has a killer instinct that can't be denied.

We will see what happens. Call it hype. But it is more of a prediction/opinion. I think Erick Silva can be a top 5 type of WW. Is he now? No. But he will only get better opponents from here. He has the skills to be very very good. And from what I have seen, the right attitude.

It is no more hype than Rory has got. He beat a 155er Nate Diaz. Be Che Mills and people are calling him the future at WW once GSP leaves. Probably less hype.
Well kind of. It is more about him not ever fighting a guy who can actually challenge him. Josh Neer would have destroyed all 3 of those guys as well, as would have GSP. So all we really know is that he is somewhere between Neer and GSP. That's a lot of uncertainty.

As far as the Fitch thing, all I'm saying is that I don't know if Fitch is still the second best WW, or if he is a shell of his former self with a shot chin and a bad knee, so no matter what happens Silva is a tough read.

Perhaps "over-hyped" was the wrong term to use, but I'm not sure putting him in the same category as Rory Mac in terms of projection is really valid at this point, all things considered.

To be clear, I'm not saying he isn't top 20, or top 10, or even the best WW in the world. I'm saying the majority of people seem to be looking at Erick Silva's run through rose tinted glasses.




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Well kind of. It is more about him not ever fighting a guy who can actually challenge him. Josh Neer would have destroyed all 3 of those guys as well, as would have GSP. So all we really know is that he is somewhere between Neer and GSP. That's a lot of uncertainty.

As far as the Fitch thing, all I'm saying is that I don't know if Fitch is still the second best WW, or if he is a shell of his former self with a shot chin and a bad knee, so no matter what happens Silva is a tough read.

Perhaps "over-hyped" was the wrong term to use, but I'm not sure putting him in the same category as Rory Mac in terms of projection is really valid at this point, all things considered.

To be clear, I'm not saying he isn't top 20, or top 10, or even the best WW in the world. I'm saying the majority of people seem to be looking at Erick Silva's run through rose tinted glasses.
There is the difference. I don't look at fighters solely on who they beat. You can't just make up things like Neer could beat all those guys so he is somewhere between Neer and the best. Brenneman may have held down Neer and stayed out of a sub. Neer is irrelevant to this conversation. Rory MacDonald is somewhere between Che Mills and GSP going by this.

No I think Erick Silva has top 10 talent. So I rank him outside of the top 10 because he doesn't have the wins but able to jump right into it with this win.

What if Fitch was still the #2 WW? And Silva beat him. Woudld that put him somewhere between 2 and 1? Would that put him #2? I don't think you can just use the math like that.

He has destroyed all the guys put in front of him in the UFC. With all around skills. I think it is safe to say he is much better than a Neer caliber fighter. But that is just me.

Using your logic Cain Velasquez is somewhere between Brock Lesnar and JDS.

I don't think anyone has rose tinted glasses on. I think everyone who backs him just respect his variety of skills, athleticism, and killer instinct. No one has said what he has done in the UFC is amazing. But he handled business like he was supposed to in those fights.
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The comparisons you made were between two fighters that actually fought each other. We have a much clearer picture of where Velasquez is at on a Lesnar - JDS scale, so that argument doesn't hold any water (although both of the statements you made were true, so you weren't even disproving what you thought I was saying ).

Never once did I say anything about him not being good because he hasn't beaten anybody good. Just that no matter how impressive a guy looks against Charlie Brenneman it doesn't tell you much.

Rory MacDonald nearly beat the current interim champ before his 21st birthday, while Silva has yet to beat even a mediocre UFC fighter and he's 28.




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I think Rory shows more skills even against weaker opponents. Nate was a weight up, sure, but the way Rory ragdolled him still showed power. Rory's GnP Vs Che Mills was impressive no matter who was on the bottom position. Silva is good but Fitch will show just how good (but not that hes worthy of a title shot or better than GSP...just for the people that'll make those threads if he wins).

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I know this all happened on page 4, but yes, Weidman has very good BJJ, more of a Jeff Monson style submission grappler than a jiu jitsu player though.

He's a top game guy but he trains under Serra so I imagine he has a decent guard.

Erick - Hype is justified, he will smash Fitch and smash GSP, i'll take bets from anyone on either of those fights.

Weidman - I was impressed by the Maia victory considering the circumstances, he wrecked Munoz (who I don't rate very highly), for now the hype is a little strong but in the future he will live up to it. Right now I don't think he has anything for Andy.

Gustafsson - excellent fighter, will fight for the title more than once in his career and if Bones vacates he may well hold the LHW title but I can't see him ever beating Bones.







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Erick - Hype is justified, he will smash Fitch and smash GSP, i'll take bets from anyone on either of those fights.
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I think Erick and Condit both have a lot of parallels actually. Both have a pretty thai heavy stand up game, very diversified. Both have very good ground games that are offense centric. Both are very aggressive as well. Condit, though, isn't nearly as wild as Erick. He's much more controlled in what he does and his punches are much tighter. Condit also has far better cardio. I think Erick is stronger for sure and has heavier hands, but I think GSP would pick him apart and control him. GSP's wrestling is every bit as good as Jon's so I don't see it staying up long if Georges doesn't want to. I think if Erick tightens up his game and minimizes his gaps standing and then gets some TDD he has a solid chance. As it stands, he gets smoked 99/100 fights. He's got a punchers chance, but I don't give him much more based solely on GSP'S tool set and Erick's weaknesses.

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