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Is Paul Heyman starting early negotiations to bring Brock Lesnar back to the UFC?

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#1 ·
Source: http://fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Pa...-White-want-Brock-Lesnar-back-in-the-UFC.html

Let me start this off by saying that this is educated speculation, but it sure seems like it. Lesnar has been saying for a bit now that he has thought about coming back to MMA and Dana White said he'd love to have him back, now Heyman starts pumping up Lesnars ability to drive PPV's and sell fights.

Sounds like a negotiation to me. Thoughts?

And how would Lesnar do coming back. Maybe the time off was good for his stomach issues and he'll be back stronger?
 
#2 ·
who would he fight ? every one at the top of the HW division has kicked his ass already. I guess Cormier could give him a scar on his other cheek and a welcoming gift ?
 
#4 ·
If he has continued to work on his striking - including hard sparring - then yes. The time off would have done him a world of good. If not I hope he stays retired.

who would he fight ? every one at the top of the HW division has kicked his ass already.
Umm... no. The only two unavenged losses are to Cain and Overroid. So how has every one of the top heavyweights kicked his ass already? He beat Carwin and Mir.
 
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#46 ·
Lesnar didnt get worse, and imo his disease had no effect. It was simply that he couldnt take a punch. It hadent came up until the Carwin fight, and unfortunatley from that one on he had killers in the stand up so he looked very weak against them.

And wait, is Heyman ACTUALLY Lesnar's representative? I thought that was just to give Heyman some relevance after ECW was bought.
 
#6 ·
To the OP. In the future if you post an article, please put the text of the article in quotes, and simply list the source, so members on here don't have to go to another site to read the article. Makes it easier for us and mods alike. Anyways, welcome to the board.


"I make of it that Dana White is a businessman and he understands that the pay-per-view numbers that Brock Lesnar can pull in, and he is sitting there saying, 'I want a piece of that action,' and I don't blame Dana White. Hey listen, do you think if Brock Lesnar went to the NBA right now and said I can dunk a basketball want to put me on a team? What team is gonna say no? No, we don't want the ratings you could bring in Brock, we don't want the numbers you could draw. You think if Brock Lesnar could hit a baseball out of a park, the New York Yankees or the Boston Red Sox, or the Minnesota Twins wouldn't put him on the roster to hit that ball out the ballpark? Of course they would. Dana White knows Brock Lesnar can turn the Octagon into the Brocktagon any time that he wants, and his pay-per-view numbers are gonna go up, up, and up with Brock Lesnar. Why wouldn't Dana White want Brock Lesnar back." -Paul Heyman via The Score

At the UFC on Fuel TV 5 open media workouts UFC president Dana White announced that if former UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar was interested in coming back to the UFC he would gladly welcome him back with open arms.

The former WWE superstar, used to be one of the biggest pay-per-view draws in the UFC, routinely pulling in over a million pay-per-views buys at events he headlined, with his biggest number coming at UFC 100 in a rematch with Frank Mir when he pulled in over 1.5 million buys.

Lesnar unexpectedly retired from mixed martial arts late in 2011 at UFC 141, following a disappointing first round TKO loss to former Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem.

Since then, Lesnar went on to sign a 1-year deal with the WWE, where he would play the role of a mixed martial artist in the WWE.

Throughout his recent sting in the WWE, Lesnar has constantly proclaim he is tired of the pro wrestling world, and wants to come back to mixed martial arts.

Could Heyman be doing a little early press negotiating?

We'll keep you posted on the latest as this story develops.
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#7 ·
People still want to see this guy fight? He had an insane amount of potential ten years ago, but its long over now. The dude is afraid of getting hit. Not much good in a contact sport if you shut down mentally as soon as you taste leather. He should stick to wrastlin, it pays way better anyway doesn't it? Or just open his own gym if he hasn't already. Would need to hire a full time striking coach though..
 
#8 ·
They just announced last night Deathclutch closed.

Huge Brock fan but I think it's over sadly, I do think he could be top ten though, Junior, Cain, Overeem, Cormier, and Werdum could all beat him but everyone else? I think Lesnar handles them.
 
#44 ·
Yet...with your statement

"Someone who doesn't spend his time telling people he's a badass and then defending the statement when they call him an idiot. Clear enough?"

So that implies you are a badass?
No. Not at all. I don't know how you even took from that comment.

No. I'm just a guy who knows how to fight with a body too busted up to make much of it.
 
#51 ·
I think the disease had a huge effect on him. B4 the shit happend he was taking shots from couture and heath hearing, he knocked down frank mir and wasnt scared to stand up with him, then the disease came and that's when he started to bob sapp his way through striking, i really think it ****ed him up
 
#52 ·
He never got a chance to strike though. Unlike Couture and Herring, Carwin and Velasquez come right for you. In both cases they all but ran at him, threw punches, he fell, they continued the assault. Herring landed a few weak enough hits at distance before Lesnar landed the bomb. Couture was never on Carwin or Velasquez' striking level. If Lesnar came back, he'd be right back up there. Guys with weak to decent striking would be taken down and get pounded like they did before. Lesnar to me beats the likes of Nog, Bigfoot, Struve etc. The only guys that would stop him are JDS, Velasquez, Overeem, and Carwin.
 
#54 ·
I believe it was GSP (paraphrasing here) that said when you lose your Achilles fist (I think that's what he called it) you are mentally broken. The Brock that came in and destroyed people, took a beating from Carwin then jumped up on the cage and hit himself in the face to prove he can take a punch, that guy was gone ever since the Carwin fight.

That disease took his strength both mentally and physically, when you don't have that feeling of physical superiority anymore the entire game is changed. Brock had the potential to be a wrecking machine because few people could stop his takedown when he was determined, but once he got sick he lost his determination. I can understand that, however it's all because he ate a meat only diet, why nobody helped him out and corrected that boggles my mind. A world of potential down the drain because he wouldn't eat right.
 
#57 ·
This is interesting. Nobody likes to get hit, but he surprised the heck outta me by withstanding the barrage by Carwin and ended up taking a SOTN win. Actually wasn't pissed off for losing cuz he earned it. Problem is, he doesn't strike which also means he's never been hit before.

Also if you really think about it, he's your typical bully. Thus it's unlikely he ever gotten a serious beatdown so that feeling of getting your brain rattled is foreign to em.

I still consider him a natural wonder ever since I first seen the trapz on em in WWE bodyslamming The Big Show. Tremendous amount of strength...has to be the strongest on par with Overeem. I mean if he had expert level boxing/muay Thai with a black belt in BJJ it would be pretty much game over man. That's the beauty of the sport. So many variations of fighter styles and attributes.

Unlike Kurt Angle we don't have to wonder about Brock's potential. In my mind he was never a true MMA fighter, but he was able to compete at the highest levels and win the championship with good match ups and timing.

He's paved the way for a ton of other showman to fight for real which I find to be quite intriguing. You know deep down every WWE wrestler wants to be in the UFC. Take it for what it is though...
 
#60 ·
^This. With shin splints I'm already barley able to pivot.

And as for Brock with his disease. You said "he changed after the Carwin fight" (@ rabakill). The Carwin fight could have been easily stopped, making it no different from the Cain fight. Lesnar didnt do anything different in either fights. He lay fetal and took a beating. One ref opted to end it, one gave him the chance to go on. Luckily for Lesnar, Carwin half died in the first and he got the submission, but there was virtually no difference between the first rounds.

I've got loads of respect for Lesnar and think he did something different and was highly successful with it, but when he faught proper strikers he crumbled every time.
 
#63 · (Edited)
He was harder to break mentally, he took a beating because he sucks at striking and Carwin had good tdd. He broke so quickly against Cain and against Overeem he just didn't care at all, he was beaten before he even stepped in the octagon. It's the difference between when a fighter only loses if the other guy breaks him physically or when a fighter will beat himself, losing his sense of physical superiority took away all his confidence because he always knew he couldn't strike at all. Happens in every sport, take Rene Bourque for example, he was a wrecking machine of a hockey player, got injured, became a timid wuss that would shy away from guys half his size. The Brock that went in against Mir and Herring went in with fire, the Brock that fought Cain was unsure and the Brock that fought Overeem had a 0% chance of winning. It's like when a guy blows out his knee and he's always weary of going all out even if it does fully heal.

I'm not even blaming Brock, getting sick like that would end most people's athletic career.
 
#71 ·
Come on guys keep this thread on topic - this is getting way out of hand.

I don't understand it, I thought Brock was completely done with MMA? And to be honest after his illness I was glad to see him retire - he didn't come back the same.

I was hospitalized with stomach problems 4 years ago and still suffer from issues, it really messed up my life and it wasn't as bad as diverticulitis.I have mountains of respect for what Brock managed to accomplish in such a small time period in MMA and as much as he is a huge draw I want him to stay retired.
 
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